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- Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:57:02 CDT
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- From: Mike Babyak <HOPE@UKANVM.BITNET>
- Subject: Re: Anima
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- From my view, the argument over whether Jungian pscyhology (or
- freudian for that matter) is scientific is not the point when it
- comes to effective therapy. Both are paradigms that can provide an
- effective and useful way of making sense of one's experience, regardless
- of their testability in the standard scientific sense. For me, therapy
- works because the client is provided a language or framework, or even
- belief system if you will, within which they can gain some sense of
- meaning and understanding of their lives. In other words, the idea
- is to provide the client with reasons, not causes, for their experience.
- And as Daniel Robinson (e.g. Philosophy of Psychology) points out,
- an individual's reasons and the actual causes of some phenomenon may be
- widely (or even wildly) divergent. Despite this, reasons seem to do
- very well in keeping humans in a state of psychological well-being,
- regardless of the *true* nature of the causes.
-
- The psychology part, for me, comes in trying to understand how or why
- reasons can be as good as causes. Or in other words, the domain
- of psychology for me is to understand the nature of understanding.
-
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- This is my own private view of why outcome studies often show that
- no one mode of therapy is particularly more effective than another.
- (See for example, Stiles, Shapiro & Elliot. 1986 Am. Psychologist,
- 41, 165-180 or Lambert, Garfield, & bergin (1986) in Garfield and Bergin. .
-
- An additional thought. this discussion seem to have used the criterion
- of being scientific as a touchstone for evaluating the worth of an idea.
- People seem to get defensive when you accuse them of being non-scientific.
- Four points concerning this:
- One, standard science is only one way of understanding the world, and it
- certainly haas not been established that it is the best way with respect to
- human experience. Second, definitions of science vary greatly such that
- any argument about something being scientific or not is problematic.
- Third, standard science is not necessarily a rational pursuit (check
- out the literature on the sociology or anthropology of science).
- (or better yet, ask yourself if your belief about the Rorshach
- is consistent with the scientific psychometric evidence)
- Finally, even if it were the most rational method, does this guarantee
- that it is the most valuable?
- Post-modern ramblings from the home of dustbowl empiricism, with apologies,
- MIKE BABYAK UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS *THERE'S NO PLACE LIKE HOME*
- HOPE@UKANVM
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