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- Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 11:24:34 EST
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- From: "Sidney W. Kitchel" <kitchel@OCTOPUS.DPSI.COM>
- Subject: Re: Oldest City in North America?
- Comments: To: HISTORY%RUTVM1.BITNET@pucc.princeton.edu
- In-Reply-To: <no.id>; from "DGPAZ%CLEMSON.BITNET@pucc.princeton.edu" at Sep
- 11, 92 10:02 am
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- DGPAZ%CLEMSON.BITNET@pucc.princeton.edu writes:
- |->
- |-> On Fri, 11 Sep 1992 08:30:11 EST "Sidney W. Kitchel"
- |-> <kitchel@OCTOPUS.DPSI.COM> said:
- |->
- |-> > It is usually written that Oraibi was established
- |-> > approximately 1000 years ago. This makes the present Old Oraibi a good
- |-> > candidate for longest inhabited town in North America. It is, however,
- |-> > not a city and certainly was not established by the stinkin'
- |-> > Europeans.
- |-> > Acoma, the Sky City, is also old and in the Oraibi class for
- |-> > longevity. But it too is not a city. Possibly the title should go to
- |-> > Mexico.
- |->
- |-> All right, clearly we must define our terms.
- |-> (1) There is pretty much agreement, I think, that by "longest
- |-> continuously inhabited city in North America" we mean inhabited
- |-> by people, not limited to Europeans.
- |-> (2) However, what do we mean by "city." I have been assuming that
- |-> "city" is short-hand for "urban area as opposed to rural area,"
- |-> rather than "big urban area as opposed to little urban area."
- |-> Mr. Kitchel, however, seems to be using "city" to mean the latter.
- |-> I do not like that usage, because it gets into the question of
- |-> how big is big.
-
- Well, Mr. Paz, it's pretty damn big. I really wasn't worried
- about quibbling here. Defining terms is OK by me. However, my real
- concern is with the original questioner's intentions. If I understand
- your distinctions above, both Oraibi and Acoma are rural. They are
- small villages without urban problems or complexity. My question is:
- was urban life a facet of the original question for some reason?
- --Sid (not Mr. Kitchel)
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- Sidney W. Kitchel kitchel@cs.indiana.edu, kitchel@dpsi.com
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