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- From: kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
- Subject: [soc.culture.turkish, et al.] Re: Herbert violating US Constitution: suppressing the voice of truth.
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- [A repost - Carl]
-
- From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
- Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,news.admin,news.admin.policy
- Subject: Re: Herbert violating US Constitution: suppressing the voice of truth.
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- Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 18:40:56 EDT
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- In article <18pjjiINNq81@agate.berkeley.edu> gwh@soda.berkeley.edu (George William Herbert) writes:
-
- >way to discourage reply mail arrived in my lap today when Ahmet Cosar,
- >system administrator of anatolius.michigan.com (aka. anatolius.mn.org
- >and uunet!anatolius, apparently) threatened to take legal action
- >against me for my suggestion that the right way to deal with the
- >Mutlu-style postings was for anyone who was offended to email
- >the offensive or inappropriate posting back to the sender along
- >with a complaint about it. This is being taken care of off Usenet.
-
- All in all you are just another fascist in the revisionism wall.
- Well, anyway, the British first subjected the Armenians to intense
- propaganda and then directed them to attack Turkish targets.
- The pressing reason for this policy was to enable them to take
- Eastern Anatolia and Caucasia without transgressing the conditions
- of the Mondros Armistice. It is on the record that the British said
- to local Armenians,
-
- 'You kill the Muslims and we will supply you with arms and ammunition.'[1]
-
- Armenian volunteers concentrated at the Turkish border in Caucasia,[2]
- and then attacked Van,[3] Bitlis,[4] Nakhichevan,[4] Beyazit,[5] and
- Kars and Erzurum.[6] The Commander for the 15th Army Corps wrote that
- Armenian units had attacked many Turkish villages with artillery and
- machine guns, that the local people's goods and animals had been usurped,
- that young women had been taken away, the women and children had been
- tortured to death in the mountains, that these attacks on the properties,
- lives and honor of the Muslims were still being perpetrated.[7]
-
- [1] BBA, Meclis-i Vukela Mazbatalari, 212/404, 6 October 1904-1919.
- [2] BBA, Dahiliye Nezareti: Sifre Kalemi: 20.vi.1919, 86/53/40.59.
- [3] BBA, Dahiliye Nezareti: Kalem-i Mahsus, November 1335 (1919), document
- no. 8339/98.
- [4] BBA, Dahiliye Nezareti: Kalem-i Mahsus, 28.viii.1919. cipher no. 7620.
- [5] Belgelerle Ermeni Sorunu (Ankara, 1983), p. 370.
- [6] Ibid., p. 371.
- [7] For information on the Armenian genocide of the Muslims: Islam Ahalinin
- Ducar Olduklari Mezalim Hakkinda Vesaike Mustenid Malumat, 1919.
-
- It is also on the record that Armenians were often given British
- uniforms and that in most cases those Armenians who knew English
- were made officers. Kazim Karabekir Pasha complained about these
- practices to Lieutenant-Colonel Rawlinson who came to Anatolia to
- demobilize the Turkish army but became its hostage after the Turkish
- national struggle for independence began. Although Rawlinson at
- first did not want to believe the Turkish genocide, at the end
- he could not help talking about the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million
- Muslims in his memoirs. Kazim Karabekir appealed in desperation
- to him to stop the genocide against the Muslim Turkish people.
- This appeal by Kazim Karabekir was left unanswered.
-
- Serdar Argic
-
- 'This war quickly developed into one of extermination.
- We closed the roads and mountain passes that might
- serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and
- then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
- (Ohanus Appressian)
-
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- Carl Kadie -- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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