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- From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
- Newsgroups: talk.rape
- Subject: Re: Unnecessary hostility in talk.rape
- Message-ID: <1992Aug26.235013.9720@uoft02.utoledo.edu>
- Date: 26 Aug 92 23:50:13 EST
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- In article <1992Aug26.195717.27603@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:
- >
- > I wrote:
- >>In article <1992Aug21.085329.9621@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
- >>>Regarding the debate over mace v. home brews, why not just get a
- >>>49 cent trial sie of WD-40 or similar product and carry that?
- >>>
- >>>Plus, it would be difficult to be prosecuted for.
- >>
- >>Not really. The DA merely establishes WHY it was being carried and
- >>then various weapons laws come into play. The DA makes a deal with
- >>the attacker (assuming best case, you're found out AFTER a justifiable
- >>use) for no time or maybe even conviction, who then happily helps send
- >>the WD-bandit up the river.
- >>
- >>A justifiable use does not imply justifiable carry.
- >
- > DC's "spin" is:
- >>At no point did Andy pose ANY of this as a question or possible alternative.
- >>He stated flat out that my post was wrong and that the DA would cut a deal
- >>with a rapists to nail the victim.
- >
- > No, I didn't say that DAs WOULD prosecute. DC claimed "it would be
- > difficult to be prosecuted for." My "Not really" is a response to
- > that. I pointed out that it wouldn't be difficult, it would be rather
- > easy. That doesn't imply that DAs would necessarily do it, only that
- > they COULD. Since then I've been discussing the relevant charges.
-
- You still haven't, nor has anyone else, pointed out it could be easy, or even
- possible.
-
- >
- >>I know that Andy was talking off of the top of his head with NO references,
- >
- > Actually, Andy wasn't. Go the library and LOOK at the CA penal code.
- > Then look at weapon statutes in other jurisdictions. Most outlaw
- > poisons/noxious substances when used as weapons, even if the very same
- > substances can be legally owned and used for other purposes. It's
- > the same with clubs.
- >
- > If you're not going to look at the penal code, statute numbers are
- > useless, and if you are, they're unnecessary. That's why I often
- > don't bother. Sometimes I do provide them. It depends on the
- > discussion. In this one, I've no interest in making life easy for DC.
-
- I say you are making this 'code' up. I am stating that you either are:
-
- 1. Not being honest.
- 2. Not being aware of what you 'alleged; code says or how it has been
- interpreted.
-
- You think that makes life difficult for me?
-
- No, it makes you look like a liar or idiot.
-
- >
- >>Tough shit if I can work the words
- >>better than you---that is no reason for me to hold back to your level.
- >
- > As the "spin" demonstrates, DC's reading comprehension is lacking.
- >
- >>Andy COULD have ASKED if mace laws cover WD-40. I would have looked it up.
- >
- > Andy knows that they DO, when WD-40 is carried as a self-defense
- > against people weapon, as DC advised. DC hasn't looked it up and
- > assumes that they don't.
-
- Wrong, I have looked them up. But, it is real hard to find soemthing that does
- not exist.
-
- >
- >>> OK, you "do research", and pride yourself on getting your facts straight.
- >
- > While DC may pride himself on that, his record is somewhat different.
-
- Oh, where have I been wrong so far? You really think your bluff that a CA code
- exists which is applicable is fooling anyone?
-
- Just yourself if you think it is believed.
-
- DC
-
-