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- From: de5@ORNL.GOV (Dave Sill)
- Subject: Re: BUSH Administration Hushes Auto Efficiency Studies
- Message-ID: <1992Sep1.114235.3663@ornl.gov>
- Followup-To: talk.environment
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- Organization: Oak Ridge National Lab, Oak Ridge, TN
- References: <9208312141.AA23105@poly.math.cornell.edu> <31AUG199223103328@zeus.tamu.edu>
- Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 11:42:35 GMT
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- [Followups directed to talk.environment.]
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- In article <31AUG199223103328@zeus.tamu.edu>, mst4298@zeus.tamu.edu (Mitchell S Todd) writes:
- >
- > This has to be one of the worst researched, worst thought out,
- > and worst argued things I've seen this year.
-
- I guess you don't read much, then.
-
- > The "best in class" idea is, at the least, juvenile, and is
- > nothing more than some idiot playing wishful thinking with
- > statistics. Of course, it's not presented as a stand-alone
- > proposal. It is used in a half assed attempt to justify the
- > the 40mpg CAFE standards (CAFE being a childish idea
- > to begin with).
-
- Well, gosh, can't argue with those facts. It's juvenile, idiotic, half-assed,
- childish... But seriously, Mitch, do you have *substantial* problems with
- these things?
-
- > CAFE has never really been very effective, and at times has
- > been counterproductive. Several times in the early 1980's,
- > the Deteroit automakers were faced with building a fleet that
- > exceeded CAFE standards. What did they do? They built tens of
- > thousands of extra economy cars to get the fleet average gas
- > milage under the CAFE limit. Of course, these extra cars didn't
- > sell, but it was cheaper to lose the money in the excess production
- > than to pay the gas guzzler tax. This excess production is,
- > of course, wasteful both economically and environmentally.
-
- I have a hard time believing it was cheaper for automakers to build economy
- cars they couldn't sell (!) than to pay the guzzler tax. Can you back up this
- claim?
-
- > Further, CAFE policy does little to confront the real problem
- > with cars --that they are used at all.
-
- `CAFE is childish--the best policy is to stop using cars.' Now who's being
- naive?
-
- > The best way to reduce CO2, NOx, and other auto emissions
- > is to use tax policy to increase the price of gasoline.
- > As gasoline prices increase, so will the demand for high
- > fuel economy. As gas prices increase, people will drive
- > their cars less. Also, as prices increase, people will be
- > more willing to use alternate means of transportation,
- > like bicycles, trains, walking, etc.
-
- But what's wrong with CAFE? And why not use *both* CAFE *and* gas taxes to
- encourage efficiency and discourage driving?
-
- --
- Dave Sill (de5@ornl.gov) For every Bill Joy there is a Kirk McKusick.
- Martin Marietta Energy Systems For every Bill Gates there is a Richard
- Workstation Support Stallman. --Paul Graham
-