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- From: Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.com>
- Subject: Re: Observations
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- Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1992 14:22:21 GMT
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- In <Bu1FJD.F5L@cs.psu.edu> beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
- > In article <1992Sep03.215609.14780@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.ibm.com writes
- > >In <Bu09ut.Es5@cs.psu.edu> beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
- >
- > Referring to "enforce" defined as "strengthen":
- > >> In which case, it is natural to conclude that a law permitting abortion
- > >> "enforces" the belief that fetuses are not persons/children/human-lives.
- > >
- > >Not really, because it's a religious belief. For example,
- > >
- > >> And yes, our laws do "enforce" (to a much lesser extent) the belief
- > >> that killing cattle is not wrong.
- > >
- > >Do you really believe that someone who believes cattle to be holy changes
- > >their mind because it's legal here? I don't; I think they're more likely
- > >to see those who eat steak as sinners.
- >
- > I don't have any basis for making such a judgement.
-
- Well, let's see... Abortion has been legal in this country for 20 years.
- Have all the people that think it's wrong changed their minds?
-
- > One example that
- > does come to mind is that eating pork is legal; if it were illegal,
- > perhaps fewer Jewish people would eat pork. Hence, the legality
- > of eating pork does tend to strengthen the belief that eating pork
- > is not immoral/unholy/sinful. (This strays a bit, since it's not
- > that pigs are holy but that eating them is religiously banned.)
-
- Actually, it strays a lot, because many Jews believe that it was
- banned for health reasons, and that now that those health reasons
- no longer apply, eating it is OK. This has nothing to do with the
- legality of it. Kosher means "clean" or "fit to eat". Someone who
- feels that modern food-preparation techniques make it safe to eat foods
- that were previously considered "trefe" (dirty) would feel the same way
- even if it wasn't legal to eat those foods. (In some cases, even if it
- were - you'll take my lobster when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.
- :-)
-
- Also, note that Jews don't feel it necessary for non-Jews to conform to
- Jewish law, so they wouldn't be calling those eating non-kosher foods
- "sinners" anyway.
-
- > And, beliefs regarding abortion are not necessarily religious.
- > My beliefs regarding abortion are certainly not; they arise from
- > consideration of morals, philosophical principles of justice and equity,
- > pragmatism, and a bit of scientific experience (research on reproduction).
-
- You mean they weren't forced on you by the legality of abortion?
-
- Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
-