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- From: steven@jaynes.uswest.com ( Steve Novak)
- Subject: re: Father Notification Reconsidered
- Message-ID: <1992Sep3.185929.9951@advtech.uswest.com>
- Originator: steven@jaynes
- Sender: news@advtech.uswest.com (Radio Free Boulder)
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- Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
- Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:59:29 GMT
- Lines: 95
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- > = Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org> writes:
- >> = (Janice Kendall) writes...
-
- >> I don't think the man has a right to know if the woman feels the best
- >> action for her situation is to abort.
-
- >Well, as my good friend, Locutus of Borg :-), might say : "Feelings are
- >Irrelevant".
-
- Your "good friend" *has* said:
-
- "Susan Garvin you stupid ignoramous sphincter vixen!"
- "You are a raving hypocrite, asshole. This is absolute proof of what a
- hypocritical, non-intellegent, sphincter-head bitch you really are."
- ^^^^^^^^^^^
- (heh heh - what a maroon. Note l'il Chaney's anal fixation.)
-
- Now Will, isn't your good friend a sweetie?
-
- >Indeed, if someone were to say "The man has the right to have
- >his child," you might say "Irrelevant! It involves her body". And in this
- >case, I, err Locutus :-) would that the woman does *not* have the right to
- >"decide" to deny the father the right to know the full truth of what he is
- >about to face.
-
- Sure she does. It's her body. All the *potential* father donated was
- a pleasurable squirt. It doesn't even make SENSE to suggest this when
- we're talking about a situation where the two aren't even spouses (in
- fact, it doesn't make any sense in any case).
-
- [re: possible abuse notifying the man BEFORE an abortion...]
- >BUT, I do not believe that this rare possibility totally abrogates his right
- >to *know*. Thus, I would say that notification should be VERY soon
- >afterwards,...
-
- Abusive males are hardly "rare"; and anyone can see that such a situation
- would likely INCREASE the possibility of abuse.
-
- >...although I think that the woman should at least have the decency, respect,
- >and trust to tell him beforehand!
-
- Gee, Will, maybe there IS no "respect" or "trust" felt by the woman.
- THEN what would you do?
-
- >(Note my words carefully : I am stating
- >that I believe that it is advisable to tell beforehand, but that I would
- >*require* it to be told afterwards).
-
- Why? What except possible disappointment, hurt and abuse could
- possibly result from such a repressive law? Why do you feel the need
- to so totally control a woman who doesn't agree with you, rather than
- either respecting her bodily autonomy or JUST FINDING A DIFFERENT WOMAN TO
- HAVE KIDS WITH?
-
- >And with God or Allah (whomever) as my witness, I will say that in my own
- >situation, if the woman had *not* been so respecting as to tell me before,
- >but in fact had not only told me right afterwards, but had waited a year (!)
- >or more, I probably would have snapped right there and killed her where she
- >stood.
-
- Whoa. Get some help, Will. This is *not* normal behavior.
-
- You've just proven the idiocy of _any_ woman notifying a Neanderthal
- like yourself at ANY time, before or after an abortion.
-
- >You can call it "male violence against women,"...
-
- Since that's what it is, what else _could_ you call it?
-
- >...but how would *you* feel if
- >someone deliberately kept something from *you* for such a long time?
-
- I'd feel it was time to leave, if the secret she kept made me doubt her
- committment to me. Violence would never enter into it. I don't
- consider the women in my life to be my property. People like you and
- John Stevens apparently feel differently.
-
- >(like,
- >for instance, husband had an affair, etc?). You *might* even be angry enough
- >to be driven to violence as well, especially if the delay had been long, so
- >before condemning me for making such a strong and unambiguous statement,
- >please consider the context within which I made it.
-
- I've considered the context.
-
- I feel sorry for any woman dumb enough to fall for a walking time bomb
- like you, Will.
-
-
-
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