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- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: Abortion vs. Adoption
- Message-ID: <1992Sep2.134904.2203@brandonu.ca>
- From: mcbeanb@brandonu.ca
- Date: 2 Sep 92 13:49:04 CST
- References: <17tdcuINNnej@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com> <1992Sep1.095859.1655@sniap.mchp.sni.de>
- Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada
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- In article <1992Sep1.095859.1655@sniap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S436.sniap.mchp.sni.de () writes:
- > regard@sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes:
- > : [...]
-
- > I also wonder, what if it (abortion) *is* wrong? You
- > know, suppose the z/e/f turned out to be a person all
- > along. Suppose (whisper it) YOU GOT IT WRONG! AGAIN!
- > Suppose that someone up there was mighty pissed off about
- > all this pro-choicing. Where would that leave us? What
- > would that do to the woman who decided to abort? And
- > finally, is that what is in fact happening?
-
- Why do you care? I guess in that case those who have "sinned"
- will just have to answer for their sins. I haven't a clue as
- to whether you're Christian or not, but the _Bible_ has a neat
- little saying: "Judge not lest ye be judged" which is pretty
- darn good advice for anybody (well except maybe a judge, eh?).
- Go ahead and make sure you don't perform an abortion, but why
- do you think you have to stop everybody else?
-
- > If you believe in a conscience, and I believe your personal
- > experience will demonstrate this, then if abortion is indeed
- > (morally) wrong, then women who choose it will know it - though
- > the consequences of that are so appalling that they may drive
- > it so deep that it is almost unknown to them. Maybe that's a
- > negative affect, maybe not. It's not a weight I'd like
- > to carry.
-
- So don't carry it. Easy enough, isn't it?
-
- > : There have been studies performed on these issues, you know. Do you know
- > : what the bulk of these studies have found?
- >
- > I'm not really sure we're talking about the same issues, Adrienne.
- > But you're quite correct. I am completely ignorant of any and
- > all studies concerning abortion, and would welcome a reference
- > to some of them. Has anyone really studied a statistically significant
- > number of women's consiences? I'm not trying to be facetious (that
- > isn't spelt correctly, is it?) - it's just that as I personally
- > believe there are barely words to describe this, I don't see how
- > it can be reduced to bar graphs, pie charts, and numbers.
-
- That doesn't make any study of abortion any more or less accurate.
- Why not check out a few of those bar graphs, pie charts, and numbers
- anyway (just for fun).
-
- > Furthermore, I guess you think that studies are always unbiased.
-
- Does *anyone* think this? Other than a child newly introduced to science
- that is.
-
- > On
- > this topic, I wonder. Did you do science at school? Didn't you ever
- > draw the line first, and then plot the data? If you didn't, ask your
- > wild friends. I'm sure I could find (or even do) a study which would
- > appear to support what I am saying, as I'm sure, could you.
-
- If you want marks, you fudge. If you want to be convincing, take your
- own real-life data and plot it, even if it does stray from theory.
-
- > : Upon what knowledge base do
- > : you decide that women will be 'affected by it for no little time' (and,
- > : by affected, I'm thinking negatively affected, given the thrust of your
- > : previous writings on this topic. Please correct me if I'm wrong.)
- >
- > Only the knowledge base of a single individual, I'm afraid.
- > This is based on people I know, and certain aspects of my
- > own experience. I'm willing to grant you, that as a woman,
- > your knowledge base on this topic is probably two orders
- > of magnitude greater than mine. It's got nothing to do with
- > any "studies" you may have read, I'm sorry to tell you.
-
- I hope you don't plan to draw lasting conclusions about the subject
- then. It's often smart to "get the facts" before deciding whether
- something is right or wrong.
-
- > Frank O'Dwyer Disclaimer:
- > Siemens-Nixdorf AG I will deny everything
- > Tel. : +49 (89) 636-40639 Fax. : +49 (89) 636-45860
- > e-mail: Frank.ODwyer@sniap.mchp.sni.de <--Use this, reply-to is broken
-
- Brian McBean - McBeanB@BrandonU.Ca
-