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- From: stevens@eatdust (John Stevens)
- Subject: Re: Observations
- Message-ID: <1992Sep3.152443.26511@advtech.uswest.com>
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- Organization: Oh, that? I got it off of a toilet seat at work. . .
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- Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:24:43 GMT
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- In article <1992Sep1.204031.20902@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp) writes:
- >In article <1992Sep1.165041.11734@advtech.uswest.com> stevens@eatdust (John Stevens) writes:
- >>In article <1992Aug31.211505.23998@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.ibm.com writes:
- >>>In <1992Aug31.145104.12528@advtech.uswest.com> stevens@eatdust (John Stevens) writes:
- >>The beliefs that would be legislated (and enforced on others) would be the
- >>belief that abortion is not murder. In other words, it would enforce a
- >>belief about when a child becomes a human being.
- >>
- >>The people that are being forced to have abortions now, are the fathers
- >>who have no legal recourse to stop a woman from murdering their child.
- >
- >That is a highly rhetorical and simply incorrect response.
-
- It isn't an incorrect response if you admit (and you don't) that abortion
- affects men. I've heard this before, always from people who seem to
- think that a father is a second class parent.
-
- >Men aren't forced to have abortions.
-
- Yes, they are. They cannot legally prevent it from occurring, so if they
- don't want their baby aborted, but the mother does it anyway, the abortion
- is forced on the man.
-
- It is extremely short sighted (almost blind) to say that only the person
- who is physically involved is affected by an abortion. This is akin in
- my mind to saying that only the woman is affected when her wedding ring
- is stolen off of her finger. Both the wife AND the husband are ripped
- off. The same with abortion.
-
- >They are currently at the mercy of their biological
- >situation. Men do not have the power to give birth to a child.
-
- You slant this rather heavily by ignoring that fathers are the reason
- mothers BECOME mothers. Without fathers, there would be no pregnancy,
- therefore no need for an abortion, or an abortion debate.
-
- >The best you can hope for is to get used to the idea that you cannot have
- >babies without the kindness of a woman. I'm sorry.
-
- The best I can hope for is that you will someday realize that no woman can
- have babies without the kindness of a man.
-
- >David Knapp University of Colorado, Boulder
-
- John
- stevens@uswest.com
-