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- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: Life at Conception? [prev: Legal Questions]
- Message-ID: <1992Sep2.161517.8794@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com>
- Date: 2 Sep 92 16:15:17 EST
- References: <1992Aug31.142638.11974@advtech.uswest.com> <nzhn-zf.ray@netcom.com> <siyemop@Unify.Com> <1992Sep2.010201.11352@samba.oit.unc.edu> <sexe7jq@Unify.Com>
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- In article <sexe7jq@Unify.Com>, sean@Unify.com (Sean P. Curley) writes:
- >
- >>That is exactly what I want. I do consider it a person at conception and I
- >>think murder charges should be filed against any women who gets an abortion
- >>- and my wife has said the same thing...
- >
- > [all the slams deleted]
- > Well... Did you slam me hard enough (redundantly)?
-
- Did you expect anything less when you tried to justify your statement by
- claiming that "my wife says so too"?
-
- > In my mind the debate over abortion comes down to whether or not the ____ is
- > a zybote/fetus or a child (read human) at conception (reference my article on
- > abortion in historical comparision in alt.abortion.inequity). If it is not
- > human then you can do any bloody thing you want to it (please no slams from
- > animal lovers), but if it _is_ human then abortion is pre-meditated murder.
-
- Did you notice in your argument that you switched from "a human" to "human".
- Is masturbation murder because it kills human entities?
-
- > You can't take your argument half way just because it gets you to where you
- > want to be. People that say the ____ is human at conception and don't consider
- > abortion murder are self-serving people comming up with incomplete arguments.
-
- But apparently you can switch your argument halfway. Sperm and egg are human
- prior to conception. A zygote is human after conception. Please provide your
- definition of a Human Being versus just being Human.
-
- > I do think that smoking and drinking during pregnancy should be illegal and
- > should be considered child abuse.
-
- The list would be enormous of activities which "might" be dangerous during
- pregnancy. Would one cigarette or one drink be "that" dangerous? How about
- dancing the polka? (This I bring up from a rather embarassing moment for
- my wife and I when she slipped and fell on a dance floor when she was eight
- months pregnant. How does one "catch" a pregnant person gracefully?)
-
- > As for spontaneous miscarriges, etc. There is no intent of wrong doing, there
- > is no "assistance" as someone mentioned so there is no crime - most crime does
- > come down to _intent_.
-
- The point is do we investigate each and every instance to make sure there
- was no "intent". (..and does praying for it count?)
-
- > As for rape, incest, etc., Again - if you consider it life, then consider it
- > life - don't go half way... It is incredibly regretful and unfortunate that the
- > life was created in such a way and I would feel for any person in such a position,
- > BUT IT IS STILL LIFE (HUMAN).
-
- Back to 'human' versus the 'human being' you should be feeling compassion
- towards. This "Sanctity of All Human Life" sure sounds familiar. Some of my
- fellow Catholics are fanatical about it and even want to outlaw birth control
- (except NFP, of course). Are you sure you're not Catholic? - J.J.
-