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- From: knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp)
- Subject: Re: I Tend To Be Pro-Choice Because:
- Message-ID: <1992Sep1.174805.22718@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
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- Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
- References: <1992Aug17.020302.5094@nocusuhs.nnmc.navy.mil> <1992Aug24.234019.8609@csus.edu> <1992Sep1.134831.18210@nocusuhs.nnmc.navy.mil>
- Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:48:05 GMT
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- In article <1992Sep1.134831.18210@nocusuhs.nnmc.navy.mil> perez@mgr.hjf.org (Charles Perez) writes:
- >In article <1992Aug24.234019.8609@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
- >>In article <1992Aug17.020302.5094@nocusuhs.nnmc.navy.mil> perez@mgr.hjf.org (Charles Perez) writes:
- >>>
- >>>The "coat-hanger argument" (that laws against abortion drive women with
- >>>unwanted pregnancies to risk their lives using unsafe methods of aborting)
- >>>is a valid argument against any anti-abortion legislation short of
- >>>defining abortion as murder.
- >>
- >>Which means, since pro-lifers are working to ensure that it is defined as
- >>murder, that the entire premise for this argument of yours, is probably not
- >>worth reading.
- >
- >If they believe it is murder, why do many of them want to permit it in
- >cases of rape or incest? Murder is murder, right?
-
- It's whatever appeals to their individual values. Maybe "family values?"
- Many pro-life folks are also for the death penalty. Many also blow up
- clinics. Many are affiliated with fundamentalist Christian denominations
- which preach love, caring and understanding. But are we expecting
- consistency in their arguments?
-
-
- >>>If abortion is murder, there can be no compromising the fetus's rights.
- >>>If it is not murder, there can be no disregarding the deaths of women from
- >>>back-alley abortions that result when abortion is proscribed. Any
- >>>"compelling state interest" must be weighed against *all* of the
- >>>negative consequences of restrictive legislation.
- >>
- >>Well, using drugs is not murder instantly, but we ban it and we live with
- >>the consequences of illegal drug use, every day.
- >
- >*Should* we, though? Personally, *I* don't ban drug, nor do I want
- >to see them banned.
-
- Drugs do not fit into some people's sense of 'morality'. It is therefore
- imposed on the entire populace. If we allow this to happen with abortion,
- it may continue to be extrapolated to many other facets of one groups'
- sense of moral correctness. I see 'family values' now beginning to be imposed
- by conservative groups. Now homosexuality is immoral. Having a child out
- of wedlock is immoral. Let's pass a law a day to help keep America from
- "going to hell in a handbasket."
-
- Of course it's not the land of the free any more, but heck, are we a moral
- bunch or *what*?
-
-
- >>Tell the American people that you'd consistently apply this reasoning to
- >>issues outside of abortion - like drugs.
- >>
- >>Then, forget any hopes you might have of being elected to any office.
- >
- >Popular opinion doesn't make *anything* right.
-
- Not according to the current fascist movement. Might makes right.
-
- >>While
- >>you're at it, join the Jerry Brown or Bill "Don't Inhale" Clinton Club.
- >
- >Who says *I* want to do drugs, just because I don't want them
- >criminalized? Many things *I* find distasteful I nonetheless wouldn't
- >want to see banned.
-
- But see, you're as bad as a junkie in the gutter because you feel it is an
- individual's right to do with their bodies what they choose. It's a "bad"
- thing so we're going to force it out of your choice list. Because we
- have superior moral stature, we're going to decide what you can and can't do
- in your closet.
-
-
- >
- >>===============================================================================
- >>Question: If you don't have truck bombs and thousands of fanatics to
- >> sacrifice their lives and drive them, how do you scare a
- >> nation into giving in to your demands?
- >>
- >>Answer: Buy coat hangers and encourage women to kill themselves
- >> with them and call yourself "pro-choice".
- >
- >As if the only reason a woman died by a coat hanger is because some
- >pro-choicer encouraged her to.
- >
- >Stick to facts, don't make yourself look ridiculous trying to set up
- >a straw man.
-
-
- Too late.
-
- --
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