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- From: eeb1@ellis.uchicago.edu (e elizabeth bartley)
- Subject: Re: The Nurturing Network 1-800-TNN-4MOM
- Message-ID: <1992Sep1.011343.29500@midway.uchicago.edu>
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- References: <+shys6=@rpi.edu> <1992Aug21.185107.9237@noao.edu> <1992Aug26.024436.11986@midway.uchicago.edu>
- Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:13:43 GMT
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- I am reposting this article and will continue to do so until Suzanne
- Forgach either publically apologizes to me for claiming that I've lied
- to myself (about what abortion is) or publically declines to do so.
-
- --- --- ---
- In article <1992Aug21.185107.9237@noao.edu>
- forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes:
- >From article <+shys6=@rpi.edu>, by cookc@aix.rpi.edu (rocker):
-
- >> Fine, Forgach. I am glad that you have shown me the depths to which
- >> you'll sink, the hatefulness you'll spew to further your own agenda.
-
- >Yeah right. I post an article simply questioning your interpretation
- >of an event years ago, and you get all bent out of shape.
-
- You posted an article implying rocker behaved like a stupid
- ten-year-old - a lying little ten-year-old - and she was angry with you.
- Why the heck are you surprised?
-
- >> Never once have I given you a single indication to think I was a
- >> liar.
-
- >Cathi, ALL pro-choicers lie to themselves, at least a little bit, about
- >what abortion actually IS.
-
- Gee, Suzanne, thanks for calling me a liar, too. Have any evidence
- besides that I disagree with you wrt the worth of a z/e/f?
-
- You know, I got a *lot* more comfortable with abortion when I started
- reading embryology books. Something to do with myelination and how
- late in pregnancy a fetus's brain begins to be capable of significant
- functioning.
-
- The abortion issue is one of opinion and priorities. It's generally
- agreed that the egg and sperm don't have a full set of human DNA, that
- zygotes do, that viability occurs before birth, that most e/fs will be
- people at some time in the future (whether or not they are people
- now), that pregnancy can sometimes greatly endanger women's lives,
- that myelination takes place at 23-24 weeks, that 8 week embryos are
- recognizably humanoid, that most pregnancies conceived by rape would
- be very hard on the woman, etc., etc. The dispute here is how much
- these various facts matter. Even if *you* have definitive evidence
- that *your* opinions are correct ones - something I certainly do not
- believe - others are not lying to themselves by believing otherwise
- unless they have the same definitive evidence.
-
- I want an apology, Suzanne, for your accusation that I am lying to
- myself in my belief that the most crucial step in a z/'s development
- is myelination rather than birth. My opinion may be incorrect, but I
- arrived at it by honestly and thoroughly considering all the evidence
- I have.
-
- --
- Pro-Choice Anti-Roe - E. Elizabeth Bartley
- Abortions should be safe, legal, early, and rare.
-
- --- --- ---
-
- Thanks to those patient enough to have read this far.
-
- General note: I may be *wrong* wrt the mortality of abortion.
- However, my opinion is honest and not based on self-deception, and I
- am furious that Mrs Forgach would think she knows me better than know
- myself on this point.
-
- --
- Pro-Choice Anti-Roe - E. Elizabeth Bartley
- Abortions should be safe, legal, early, and rare.
-
- Cthulhu for President -- when you're tired of voting for the lesser of 2 evils.
-