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- From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
- Subject: Re: FOCA: And I quote.....
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- Date: 31 Aug 92 20:03:36 GMT
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- In <17s3nmINN73o@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com> regard@sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes:
-
- >In article <nyikos.715040868@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
- >>In <17glukINN3jn@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com> regard@sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes:
- >>
- >>Who said anything about holding them to a higher standard? I for one
- >>just want the information available to them. And in case of abortion,
- >>which has so many complications, they should be provided without asking
- >>JUST AS THEY ARE FOR ANY OTHER MEDICAL TREATMENT.
-
- >Excuse me, please, but where is this information 'hidden'? The information
- >*is* available to them now, today, in libraries,
-
- Except when the books are "Lost" the way _Aborted Women, Silent No More_
- has been "Lost" from our university library. This book has more info on
- the pro-life side about abortion complications than all the other books
- I have seen put together.
-
- > from their doctors, from
- >many clinics where abortions are or are not performed.
-
- If that's true, why do NOW, NARAL, PP, etc. fight like the dickens against
- every clause in every informed consent bill, including clauses requiring the
- detailing of abortion complications?
-
- > The only people
- >who can't give this information freely are those clinics limited by Title X
- >funding, and they can't give the whole story on abortion because of the
- >whaycky president we currently have.
-
- And they don't want to give the whole story. They want to leave out the
- part about abortion-related complications, and create the impression that
- abortion is a safe, risk-free procedure (heaven forbid they use the word
- "operation").
-
- > The standard of medical care for women
- >who receive abortions is the same as the standard of medical care for women
- >who receive delivery attendance, because (1) the only people who can perform
- >abortions in this country (legally) *are* doctors who passed the SAME
- >standards of examination as other doctors.
-
- Most other doctors aren't even schooled in how to perform abortions.
- Glad to see you admit that abortionists aren't schooled in them either.
-
- By the way, it wasn't until a bizarre 1975 Connecticut v. Menillo ruling
- that states were explicitly given the right to require that first trimester
- abortions be performed by doctors. Any idea how many states took
- advantage of this right which the anonymous writer of that decision
- let them know was supposedly there all along?
-
- > Plus of course (2) the fact that
- >lots of doctors who perform abortions *also* perform deliveries.
-
- "Lots"? Percentages, please.
-
- > They are
- >obstetricians, after all.
-
- Only the ones who perform deliveries.
-
- >This is what is known, Peter, as a strawman argument.
-
- If it weren't for pro-lifers, the landscape would be thickly dotted with
- pro-choice strawmen that lots of people mistake for real arguments.
- It's bad enough as it is, with 90% of the media people pro-choice.
-
- Peter Ny.
-
-