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- From: stevens@eatdust (John Stevens)
- Subject: Re: Observations
- Message-ID: <1992Aug31.144116.12258@advtech.uswest.com>
- Sender: stevens@uswest.com (John Stevens)
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- Organization: Not today, I have a head ache.
- References: <1992Aug20.042022.21010@wdl.loral.com> <1992Aug25.161841.1495@advtech.uswest.com> <BtK044.IG4@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com>
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- Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:41:16 GMT
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- In article <BtK044.IG4@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com> wreck@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com (R. Cage) writes:
- >In <1992Aug25.161841.1495@advtech.uswest.com> stevens@eatdust (John Stevens) writes:
- >Somehow, I don't see why you think that this requires
- >making a woman who *does* consider it responsible and
- >*does* want one, not have one. The existence of bacon
- >in stores doesn't trash Orthodox Judaism, Southern
- >Baptists co-exist fine with beer, why should the
- >existence of abortion be a problem for people who
- >consider it irresponsible?
- >
- >Riddle me that.
-
- No riddles, straight talk. Because the analogies you give are false.
-
- They differ from the abortion situation because in your analogy, only
- one person is involved, the responsible party (he who eats the bacon).
-
- In the case of abortion at least one, and depending on your beliefs, two
- other people are directly affected by a woman's UNILATERAL decision to
- have an abortion, the father and the child.
-
- Find a better analogy, say, drunk driving:
-
- [The above quote modified for a different analogy.]
-
- >Somehow, I don't see why you think that this requires
- >making a woman who *does* consider it responsible [to drive drunk] and
- >*does* want [to drive drunk], not do so.
-
- >Express beliefs? Sure, why not. But you're on the side that
- >wants to make laws that *rule out* other people being able to
- >practice their beliefs, and has already invaded expression.
-
- Guess what? You are also on the side of those who want to make laws that
- *rule out* other people being able to practice their beliefs. You want
- abortion legal, even though passing law to make it so would violate the
- practice of other peoples religious beliefs.
-
- And if you are honest with yourself, I'm sure that you would admit that
- you support other laws that restrict people's right to practice their
- beliefs.
-
- >Since you've traded the moral high ground for a swamp, do you
- >want to re-think your position and try again?
-
- ???? What swamp? What moral high ground?
-
- Why should I re-think my position? You've given me bad analogy, hypocritical
- statements of your beliefs, and NOTHING else to give me even the slightest
- reason to question my beliefs.
-
- Try again. I'm always willing to listen.
-
- When you admit that at the very least, the FATHER has a stake in the abortion,
- not just the mother, then we may be able to find a common ground.
-
- >>Who hands out rights?
- >
- >Isn't that a matter of religion -- a PRIVATE matter?
-
- Nope. It is also a matter of government -- a PUBLIC matter.
-
- [ Rest deleted because the questions have already been answered, etc. ]
-
- John
- stevens@uswest.com
-