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- From: frank@D012S436.sniap.mchp.sni.de ()
- Subject: Re: Abortion vs. Adoption
- Message-ID: <1992Aug31.122431.15398@sniap.mchp.sni.de>
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- Organization: Siemens-Nixdorf AG
- References: <1992Aug28.232601.15631@midway.uchicago.edu>
- Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 12:24:31 GMT
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- In article <1992Aug28.232601.15631@midway.uchicago.edu> eeb1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
- >In article <1992Aug28.152616.972@sniap.mchp.sni.de>
- >frank@D012S436.sniap.mchp.sni.de () writes:
- >>eeb1@ellis.uchicago.edu (e elizabeth bartley) writes:
- >
- >>: 2) If you abort a e/f, you never *have* a child in the first place; if
- >>: you give a child up for adoption, you do have a child (and for better
- >>: or worse, will probably think of him/her for the rest of your life).
- >
- >>And an abortion will slip her mind?
- >
- >Certainly not. I'm not discussing whether abortion or giving birth is
- >emotionally easier in the short term here; I'm saying that - for
- >*most* people - an abortion is over and done with, whereas the
- >knowledge that someone else is raising your child is with you for the
- >rest of your life (N.B. this is not necessarily bad!).
-
- I'm not discussing the short term either.
-
- I don't accept that an abortion is ever over and done with
- as you suggest.
-
- I'm saying that the knowledge of the child *you* might have
- raised, or might have had adopted, for that matter, is with
- you for the rest of your life.
-
- In fact, all I'm saying is: abortion, for women who choose it,
- is a Big Deal. They will be affected by it for no little time.
- I find *your* claim about "most people" reveals very little
- understanding of human nature.
-
- >Do you think that maybe some people start with their premises and from
- >them decide that abortion is not wrong, rather than starting with the
- >conclusion that abortion is okay and picking the premises to suit?
- >(Hint: I basically don't think abortion is wrong, and I pride myself
- >on intellectual honesty.)
-
- Yeah, I think plenty of people intellectualise about moral problems.
- Then one day it ceases to become a diverting parlour game and affects
- them personally.
-
- And then, some people go ahead and act on their conviction, and are
- subsequently filled with a sadness so deep it barely becomes known to
- them. It's the difference between persuading your head that something
- isn't wrong, and knowing in your heart that it is.
-
- Of course, emotional honesty is much, much, more difficult than
- intellectual honesty, and a lot rarer.
-
- Hint: For some people, this is not a mind game.
-
- > --
- > Pro-Choice Anti-Roe - E. Elizabeth Bartley
- > Abortions should be safe, legal, early, and rare.
- --
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