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- From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: Another good reason not to vote for Bush
- Message-ID: <1992Aug30.222408.22730@rotag.mi.org>
- Date: 30 Aug 92 22:24:08 GMT
- Article-I.D.: rotag.1992Aug30.222408.22730
- References: <ohgc6so@fido.asd.sgi.com> <RJOHNSON.92Aug17132102@conus.shell.com> <1992Aug20.231050.1913@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
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- In article <1992Aug20.231050.1913@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> smccabe@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Sarah A McCabe) writes:
- >In article <RJOHNSON.92Aug17132102@conus.shell.com> rjohnson@shell.com (Roy Johnson) writes:
- >>In article <ohgc6so@fido.asd.sgi.com> cj@eno.wpd.sgi.com (C.J. Silverio) writes:
- >>
- >> >I want to make sure I understand what you mean by "take
- >> >precedence".
- >>
- >>Imagine, if you will, a human life, and what rights a person has to
- >>take that life.
- >
- >Well let's see. I have the legal and moral (according to my moral system) right
- >to insist that anyone physically using my body against my will immediately
- >cease and desist. If this person refuses to do so. I have the right
- >to use any force up to and including lethal to enforce my control over
- >my own body.
-
- Please, please, please! I'm as much of a Bodily Autonomist as the next pro-
- choicer (as opposed to the Libertarians, the personhood dweebs, or any of the
- other variations of pro-choice), but it is my considered opinion, after much
- thought and research, that the analogies to deadly-force-against-rape, and
- similar legal provisions, are widely recognized as EXCEPTIONS to the general
- and traditional rule of law, namely that deadly force is only acceptable as
- self-defense against a DEADLY attack, and its use against a non-deadly attack
- is considered excessive and criminally punishable. The only reasons rape-attack
- exceptions and "make my day" laws are permitted exist at all is because the
- problems they are purported to address have not been curbed by conventional
- means, and the states felt they needed ("compelling state interest") to employ
- a powerful deterrent. Since no deterrent is possible against a fetus, all such
- analogies are therefore qualitatively distinct from the abortion issue, and
- they are invalidated. In fact, I think trying to hammer these square pegs into
- the round holes hurts the credibility of the Bodily Autonomy viewpoint.
-
- Moreover, remember the traditional pro-life counterpoint that the fetus is
- INNOCENT of any crime (by virtue of being incapable of having a criminal
- intent or _mens rea_), and therefore cannot be punished. I find this point
- rather compelling in the case of post-viability abortions, but not decisive
- in and of itself...
-
- - Kevin
-