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- From: garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: THIRD TRIMESTER ABORTIONS
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- Date: 29 Aug 92 23:55:50 GMT
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- In article <nyikos.715037146@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
- #In <BtM9BC.7sq.2@cs.cmu.edu> garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
- ##In article <nyikos.714853495@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
- ###In <1992Aug24.222123.25747@watson.ibm.com> Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.com> writes:
- ##[text deleted]
- #
- #Talking about the Becky Bell case:
- #
- ####What I heard was that it was pneumonia caused by a septic abortion.
- ###
- ###What I heard was that it was pneumonia caused by vomit going back down
- ###the wrong way, said vomit being caused by the drugs she was taking
- ###recreationally.
- #
- ##What the death certificate says is this: "septic abortion with
- ##pneumonia."
- #
- #Does it say the two were connected, and which was the cause of death?
-
- Under cause of death, the death certificate says "septic abortion
- with pneumonia." I am reporting it verbatim.
-
- ##Nyikos vile accusation originates with Willke and the NRLC. The
- ##coroner who performed the autopsy has stated publicly that he
- ##does not believe Willke's fantasy about how Ms. Bell died, and
- ##that Willke's fantasy is not based on medical evidence.
- #
- #Publicly? Where?
-
- On "60 Minutes", for one.
-
- ##Some fools will continue to give voice to the lies of a twisted
- ##old man, but the facts remain.
- #
- #I'll need to see them to make a judgment. I have a very open mind on this
- #case, by the way. In the Spring 1991 _Issues in Science and Technology_
- #(a national magazine available, I hope, in most university libraries
- #despite its biases) I wrote the following:
-
- You have an open mind, but you repeat Willke's slurs in a public
- forum. Right.
-
- # O'Keeffe and Jones...treat as undisputed fact the claim that Becky Bell
- # "died from an abortion obtained outside the health care system," even
- # using it to support an *ad hominem* attack on the alleged "lack of
- # real concern for the health and well-being of pregnant adolescents
- # by those opposed to abortion." In fact, pro-life organizations such
- # as Birthright have given great moral and material support to pregnant
- # adolescents.
- #
- # John C. Willke, the focus of the attack, has made a case that
- # (1) Becky Bell's "abortion" was a miscarriage, not induced; and
- # (2) that the cause of death was a lung infection brought on by drug-
- # taking, not the "abortion". His case is still open to debate, but
- # it is certainly much better documented in his published writings
- # than anything in the O'Keeffe/Jones article.
-
- This was a letter to the editor, right? I'll look it up.
-
- #So there you have it, Susan. I have had no new info on this case one way
- #or the other until you made your claim above. Please proceed.
-
- Death certificates are part of the public record, Nyikos. If you feel
- a need to pry further into someone's personal tragedy, you can
- obtain a copy of the death certificate yourself. You call Willke's
- argument-with-an-agenda "better documented." Did it not
- include the coroner's report and the death certificate?
-
- There's been a great deal written about Ms. Bell, Nyikos. Most
- of it appeared in the conventional press. Have you read anything
- other than Willke's claims and the magazine referenced above?
-
- Susan
-