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- From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
- Subject: Re: A mirror for Adrienne Regard's NO OTHER HUMAN...
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- Organization: USC Department of Computer Science
- References: <1992Aug27.184937.26265@watson.ibm.com>
- Date: 28 Aug 92 23:38:01 GMT
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- In <1992Aug27.184937.26265@watson.ibm.com> Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.com> writes:
-
- >In <nyikos.714855156@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
- >> In <1992Aug24.054408.26192@watson.ibm.com> Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.co
- >>
- >> >In <nyikos.714423816@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu
- >> >(Peter Nyikos) writes:
- >> >>
- >> >> This is pure *ipse dixit* [favorite expression of Justice Blackmun] on
- >> >> your part. Are you saying none of the thumbsuckings and other acts of
- >> >> the fetus are willed? Your saying so don't make it so.
- >>
- >> >Have you never heard of the suckling reflex?
- >>
- >> Of course I have, but my point is, the claim that NONE of the acts of
- >> the fetus is willed is completely unwarranted.
-
- >Why is it unwarranted? You mentioned "thumbsuckings and other acts".
- >Thumbsucking is the suckling reflex; it's not willed. So what acts
- >of the fetus are you claiming are willed? ("Your saying so don't make
- >it so.")
-
- Thumbsucking is the suckling reflex only from the point where the thumb
- touches the cheek. As to how it got there, or whether it went straight
- to the mouth without touching the cheek, that could be a willed action.
- Also, the fetus may have some conscious control over how long the
- thumbsucking is continued.
-
- >> >> Contrast that with the "pro-choice" abortionists, who knew the incest
- >> >> was going on but did nothing to stop it.
- >>
- >> >Is there any proof that they knew that incest was occurring? Have they
- >> >been charged with anything?
- >>
- >> You want court-of-law proof, I doubt if you could get it, hence the
- >> answer to the second question is no. Most probably the incest victim
- >> herself told them it was going on, but with no one else on her side
- >> present, what can you do?
-
- >So first you slander the doctors by claiming that they *knew* the incest
- >was going on, now you've backed off to ""most probably she told them".
-
- Well, I was just making a reasonable guess. My source, an newsletter, did
- not go into how it was known that the incest was going on. If you're
- curious, I can write away for the information, but don't expect any
- overnight answers.
- >>
- >> Read what I wrote again. The only reason I might consider prohibiting
- >> abortion prior to the sixth week is if the consequences for the woman
- >> of allowing it are unacceptable. If they are unacceptable to the woman,
- >> then of course I will defend her right not to be aborted against her
- >> will. [actually this last sentence is redundant, but never mind...]
-
- >Ahh - I thought "the only reason I might possibly reconsider this" was
- >referring to imposing a law in the first place. Now that you've
- >explained what you meant - it makes no sense at all. If she doesn't
- >want one, she won't get one - what does this have to do with your
- >prohibiting them?
-
- She might want one, not realizing how dangerous it is. Like those
- infamous "coathanger" abortions; of which, BTW, Dr. Willke claims he has
- never heard an authenticated example of. Can any of you networkers
- enlighten him?
-
- > Do you somehow believe that the existance of a
- >choice will force the woman to take a choice that she finds unacceptable?
- >It's *taking away* choice that tries to force people to do things that they
- >find unacceptable.
-
- Like taking away the choice to go to a back alley butcher? Would you
- make what they do legal? [Actually, it is legal, and happens even today.]
-
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