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- From: Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.com>
- Subject: Re: A mirror for Adrienne Regard's NO OTHER HUMAN...
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- Message-ID: <1992Aug27.184937.26265@watson.ibm.com>
- Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:49:37 GMT
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- In <nyikos.714855156@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
- > In <1992Aug24.054408.26192@watson.ibm.com> Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.co
- >
- > >In <nyikos.714423816@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu
- > >(Peter Nyikos) writes:
- > >>
- > >> This is pure *ipse dixit* [favorite expression of Justice Blackmun] on
- > >> your part. Are you saying none of the thumbsuckings and other acts of
- > >> the fetus are willed? Your saying so don't make it so.
- >
- > >Have you never heard of the suckling reflex?
- >
- > Of course I have, but my point is, the claim that NONE of the acts of
- > the fetus is willed is completely unwarranted.
-
- Why is it unwarranted? You mentioned "thumbsuckings and other acts".
- Thumbsucking is the suckling reflex; it's not willed. So what acts
- of the fetus are you claiming are willed? ("Your saying so don't make
- it so.")
-
- > >> Contrast that with the "pro-choice" abortionists, who knew the incest
- > >> was going on but did nothing to stop it.
- >
- > >Is there any proof that they knew that incest was occurring? Have they
- > >been charged with anything?
- >
- > You want court-of-law proof, I doubt if you could get it, hence the
- > answer to the second question is no. Most probably the incest victim
- > herself told them it was going on, but with no one else on her side
- > present, what can you do?
-
- So first you slander the doctors by claiming that they *knew* the incest
- was going on, now you've backed off to ""most probably she told them".
- I'll repeat my question: is there any proof that they knew the incest
- was occurring? Do you have *any* reason at all for saying this, or are
- you simply assuming that since they're "evil abortionists", they must
- have known?
-
- > >> Misogyny, especially such blatant kind, is abhorrent to me.
- >
- > >Then why aren't you pro-choice? :-)
- >
- > Do you automatically lump all pro-lifers into the misogynist category?
-
- No, only the ones that would force women to carry an unwanted pregnancy
- to term; the ones that would give *more* rights to a fetus than to any
- (born) person, and remove rights from the woman to do so. I tend to
- classify people who don't want to *legislate* their beliefs about
- abortion as pro-choice.
-
- > >> I have already gone on record in talk.abortion as not wishing to impose
- > >> a law prohibiting abortion prior to the 6th week [not month, but it
- > >> still allows plenty of time after a skipped period] after fertilization.
- > >> The only reason I might possibly reconsider this is if the consequences
- > >> for the WOMAN are unacceptable.
- >
- > >This sounds reasonable - as long as you mean unacceptable *to the woman*.
- > >Or do you think that every woman wanting an abortion has to come before
- > >Peter Nyikos to determine if the consequences in her case are acceptable
- > >to You?
- >
- > Read what I wrote again. The only reason I might consider prohibiting
- > abortion prior to the sixth week is if the consequences for the woman
- > of allowing it are unacceptable. If they are unacceptable to the woman,
- > then of course I will defend her right not to be aborted against her
- > will. [actually this last sentence is redundant, but never mind...]
-
- Ahh - I thought "the only reason I might possibly reconsider this" was
- referring to imposing a law in the first place. Now that you've
- explained what you meant - it makes no sense at all. If she doesn't
- want one, she won't get one - what does this have to do with your
- prohibiting them? Do you somehow believe that the existance of a
- choice will force the woman to take a choice that she finds unacceptable?
- It's *taking away* choice that tries to force people to do things that they
- find unacceptable.
-
- Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
-