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- From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
- Subject: Re: Pro-Choice Challenge (WAS THIRD TRIMESTER ABORTIONS)
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- Date: 26 Aug 92 20:16:22 GMT
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- In <oealXgC00Uh_A8qGBD@andrew.cmu.edu> Michael Loomis <ml3e+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
-
- >garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) writes
- >>#In the meantime, I would ask anyone thinking about repling to Mr.
- >>#Novak's post to consider why they would oppose infanticide and would
- >>#yet support a third trimester abortion as described in this post by Mr.
- >>#Ron Bense with Ms. Suzanne Forgach playing the chorus.
-
- For once Mr. Loomis and I are in agreement: there is no moral distinction.
- Beyond that, we diverge to opposite sides of the fence.
-
- >># In particular,
- >>#why is it good to permit a newborn infant whose short life will be only
- >>#a painful torment to live and to kill a similar third trimester fetus?
- >>#The fetal idolators claim that abortion is painful to the fetus as a
- >>#reason to oppose abortion. Yet opposition to infanticide causes yet
- >>#greater pain.
-
- I would support euthanasia in cases of truly uncontrollable and agonizing
- and permanent pain, from womb to tomb. I also doubt that there are more
- than a few hundred cases like this in the whole United States, whose pain
- cannot even be controlled with heroin (a much more potent painkiller than
- morphine, and one I would legalize for exactly this purpose).
-
-
- >Ms. Garvin, I am quite aware of the difference between infanticide and
- >euthansia. I am also aware that the difference can be quite fuzzy. Why
- >can't you be aware that the line between third trimester abortion is
- >also quite fuzzy. Its fuzziness is not some plot devised by Mr.
- >Holtsinger to upset "pro-choice" arguments.
-
- Again Loomis and I agree, this time wholeheartedly.
-
- >Perhaps, I should state my beliefs more clearly. I believe infantcide
- >for severely deformed infants is appropriate if it corresponds to the
- >wishes of the parents.
-
- Sorry, "severely deformed" does not make it in my book. To see what
- does, look at my comments on euthanasia.
-
- > I believe in the era before modern medicine,
- >infanticide was in some cultures the safest way for women to kill an
- >unwanted child.
-
- Absolutely, including our own culture until some point in the 19th
- century.
-
- >MIchael Loomis
-
-