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- Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
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- Date: Monday, 24 Aug 1992 20:00:55 EST
- From: Linda Birmingham <ADMN8647@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
- Message-ID: <92237.200055ADMN8647@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: KILLfile created to prevent flamewar
- References: <omq5tlo@fido.asd.sgi.com> <1992Aug19.191054.24902@crd.ge.com>
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- In article <oqnbvq8@fido.asd.sgi.com> CJ Silverio
- >
- >In article <1992Aug19.191054.24902@crd.ge.com>, cook@sunloan.crd.ge.com writes:
- >|cj@eno.wpd.sgi.com (C J Silverio) writes:
- >||>Wise move, and one that will greatly help your peace of mind.
- >||>That debate would be just as stupid in reruns as it was the
- >||>first time.
- >
- >|Many of us did not find the debate, nor the topic thereof, to be
- >|"stupid". I think it would be highly unrealistic to deny that
- >|there are those in the abortion rights movement who feel great
- >|resentment over people who wish to restrict abortion rights, as
- >|well as those who feel great resentment over people who wish to
- >|have unrestricted abortion rights.
-
- [...]
-
- >The debate also reminded me that this is essentially a political
- >issue, a political fight. Some people on my side don't seem to
- >want to play politics. I dislike politics, but I'm willing to
- >play the game to preserve my life. I'm willing to compromise,
- >as a purely political move, on less important issues in order to
- >preserve the rights I consider most important.
-
- It would appear Ms. Silverio that you and others are willing
- to compromise the rights of women less fortunate than you.
- The poor, the disadvantaged, the vulnerable.
-
- Every compromise provides a foothold to remove one more
- right. Women are deemed incapable of making the most
- profound personal choice and as a result intrusions into
- other aspects of their lives will continue to be
- tolerated and permitted.
-
- Your profession isn't at risk from fetal protection laws,
- at least not yet. Lets just hope some corporate or
- government bureaucrat doesn't decide that programming is
- a threat to future offspring.
-
- >Some people on my side, I learned, are not.
-
- What I learned was that there are a number of people
- in this newsgroup who pay lip service to the right of
- bodily autonomy. Who bray loudly about personal
- freedom, yet are willing to negotiate freedom away.
-
- >The lessons were political & personal, for me.
-
- Perhaps it would be better if people stopped viewing
- abortion as political and personal. Perhaps it would
- be better if people accepted that women are capable
- of making this decision themselves and everyone
- who claims to be prochoice should support all women,
- not just those in similar circumstances as oneself.
-
- >I've got misogynist maniacs to worry
- >about-- people who'd cheerfully ban abortions for victims of
- >rape and for women whose lives are endangered.
-
- The misogynist maniacs do more to discredit themselves
- than any one else. They are not the people that will
- create laws or form governments. It is the people who
- wish to enshrine fetal personhood that will do the
- greatest damage to women's rights. Their impact will
- reach farther than restricting a woman's option of abortion.
-
- >My energy goes
- >to thwarting THOSE menaces to my life & health.
-
- The woman who is menaced is the woman who doesn't
- have a bank account. The woman who is threatened is
- the one who requires time to arrange transportation
- and child care. The woman who is endangered is the
- one that must obtain parental consent. The woman who
- is stigmaitzed is the one who will require abortions
- that are criminalized.
-
- My energy goes to helping these woman protect their
- lives and health.
-
-
-
- Linda
- --
- "The decision whether or not to terminate a pregnancy is
- essentially a moral decision and in a free and democratic
- society the conscience of the individual must be
- paramount to that of the state" Justic B. Wilson
-