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- From: jamcdani@zia.ucs.indiana.edu
- Subject: Re: Item for Chaney's study of abortion-adult/child sex link.
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- Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:16:08 GMT
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- In article <seaQLiG00WBKM7rFZY@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
- > nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) wrote
- > > Steve Chaney has been pursuing the subject of how the right to
- > >privacy, explicitly written into the Florida State Constitution, gives
- > >rise to both abortion and adult/child sex. I have not had the time to
- > >look over his contributions in detail, so I'm posting this in the hope
- > >that he can see where it fits into the big picture.
- > > It's from Mississippi rather than Florida, but note the "shipping
- > >the movies across state lines" clause. Query: how much of the case
- > >would be thrown out of a Florida court as being unconstitutional?
- > >
- > > This item, for which I am indebted to Charles Wysong, appeared
- > >in the _Jackson Herald_, September 30, 1989. It appears between the
- > >two rows of asterisks.
- >
- > There followed an article about a gynocologist who was interested in
- > kiddie porn followed by these statements
- >
- > >QUOTE OF THE DAY:
- >
- > > Don't you pro-choicers just _hate_ this?
- > > --Stephen A Chaney
- >
- >
- > I'm glad to see Mr. Nyikos watched and learned from the Republican
- > convention. Marilyn Quayle attacked Bill Clinton's "draft-dodging".
- > Maybe her husband should do so also. Several speakers indicated being a
- > governor of a state is no preparation for foreign policy, though Reagan
- > did not. A proponent of sexual "responsibility" like Mr. Nyikos does
- > well to mention every sexual crime by an abortionist. Proponents of
- > "responsbile" sex already see fit to mention the sexual orientation of
- > mass murderers. It helps them avoid responisbility for how their
- > "sexual morality" actually works:
-
- [The alledged sexual liaisons of priests and a gay-bashing politician
- deleted...may we agree that there wackos on both sides and leave it?]
-
- By the way, Steve, in another article you mentioned the slogan, "Sex
- by eight or it's too late." It belongs to the Rene Guyon Society, not
- NAMBLA. I don't support either group, but I didn't want that to become
- fodder for homophobes (which, fortunately, no one in this particular
- thread is).
-
- > I have no statitics. I doubt such have been collected, but my belief is
- > that people who commit sex crimes would tend to have views about sex
- > similar to those of the Vatican and Mr. Nyikos with the attendent guilt.
- > We, of course, have to ignore those sex crimes which are unnatural to
- > have as crimes--that is, homosexuality, sodomy laws, and too high of age
- > of consent laws.
-
- Here's my proposed response to the statutory rape problem. You can't
- have an abortion until you can get pregnant (duh!), which is impossible
- until puberty. So let's set the right to privacy as effective upon
- (and statutory rape laws as effective _until_) the first physical sign
- of puberty; with girls, that could be menarche. There can be no real
- way to universally gauge mental or emotional maturity. Being a cognitive
- psych student, I wish there were, but there isn't.
-
- Which sounds like a better justification for statutory rape laws to you:
- 1. "Pre-pubescents are not physically ready for sex" or
- 2. "A bunch of legislators have arbitrarily decided that every single
- person under a certain age is not mentally ready for sex"?
-
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- Jenni McDaniel, Indiana University, Department of Psychology
- "All we ever look for: a god...a drug...a great big hug." -KaTe Bush
- Big ol' IU taking the opinions of one undergrad?!? Yeah, right....
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