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- From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
- Subject: Re: Saturn class (Was: SPS feasibility and other space
- Message-ID: <BtGL92.DB2@zoo.toronto.edu>
- Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 23:00:32 GMT
- References: <Bsy0K5.MEF.1@cs.cmu.edu> <14AUG199200401836@judy.uh.edu> <1992Aug19.174427.9782@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> <19AUG199220200286@judy.uh.edu>
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- In article <19AUG199220200286@judy.uh.edu> wingo%cspara.decnet@Fedex.Msfc.Nasa.Gov writes:
- >>> There
- >>> is a demonstrated need for larger lift capability.
- >>
- >>Sure, I believe you. I'm curious to know: what is the demonstrated
- >>need? How is it demonstrated?
- >
- >... Look at the growth in size of geosync communications satellites.
- >Ariannispace has and that is the basline for the growth into the Arianne 5...
-
- Ariane's numbers on the subject are somewhat controversial, since some of
- the organizations involved might be considered to have ulterior motives
- (making A5 big enough for Hermes). Even setting that aside, though, we're
- talking about slow incremental growth of existing boosters, the sort of
- thing that is accomplished most cost-effectively by tank stretches and
- more/bigger strap-ons. This is especially so when you bear in mind that the
- comsat suppliers and customers are far more concerned about reliability
- than cost -- as well they should be when the birds cost much more than the
- launches -- and they see upgrades to an existing system as less risky.
-
- At the moment, there is *one* firm customer that appears to really need
- larger lift capability than is now available: NASA's space-station office.
- Possibly I exaggerate when I call them a "firm" customer, mind you, although
- their political backing appears more solid now than it used to be. In any
- case, they are very heavily hemmed in by politics, and also don't want very
- many launches. They aren't a very promising "launch customer" for a new
- vehicle.
-
- Apart from them, there is *no* actually-rolling project, anywhere, that
- has a firm need for more than incremental improvements to existing boosters.
- If there were, there would be commercial interest. There have been several
- commercial heavylift projects that needed only some committed customers to
- justify proceeding with privately-funded development. None have appeared.
- --
- There is nothing wrong with making | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
- mistakes, but... make *new* ones. -D.Sim| henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
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