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- From: edgar@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Gerald Edgar)
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- Subject: Re: Dr. Fabrikant and honesty in science
- Date: 28 Aug 1992 13:57:59 -0400
- Organization: The Ohio State University, Dept. of Math.
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- In article <1992Aug28.170505.4700@u.washington.edu> jars@milton.u.washington.edu (Juan Rodriguez-Sero) writes:
- >I wholly agree with Dov (and, hopefully, many others); people who "don't
- >even know about" a paper and "would give blank stares if asked about
- >them" are not co-authors. They should be included in the acknowledge-
- >ments if at all, but not as co-authors.
-
- The custom varies from one field to another. It is simplistic to
- call one custom "dishonest".
-
- Certainly what you say is true in my field (mathematics). When I talk
- to scientists in other fields, and mention that multiple-authors in
- mathematics are traditionally listed in alphabetical order, some of
- them seem amazed: "But how would you know who is the principal author?"
-
- A faculty screening committee was reading applications for the director
- of a new research hospital. One candidate had a gigantic publication
- list. It turned out that every paper written by anyone at the institute
- he currently directed was required to list him as a co-author.
-
- There was a case recently where a medical researcher had faked the data
- in a paper. When the legislative committee asked her co-authors about
- the papers in question, they admitted they knew nothing about the
- procedures that had been followed. That proved embarassing to them.
-
- A zoologist told me that the custom there is that the first author is the
- one who did the work, the last author is the one who obtained the funding,
- and the authors in between--who knows?
-
- I am listed as an in-between author in a certain biochemistry paper.
- I helped the principal author solve a mathematical problem, then
- proof-read several drafts of the paper. Whether the application of
- fractal dimension to biochemistry means anything in biochemistry
- is beyond my expertise to say.
-
- Here is a story told to me by a mathematician. He discussed a research
- problem with one of his colleagues in chemistry, who politely sat there
- and made no remarks. Six months later, when the work was being
- prepared for publication, he received a note from the chemist requesting
- co-author listing. The mathematician thought that odd, so he appealed
- to the Dean, who ruled in favor of the chemist. (The Dean was also a chemist.)
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