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- From: debray@cs.arizona.edu (Saumya K. Debray)
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- Subject: co-authorship (was Re: Dr. Fabrikant and honesty in science)
- Message-ID: <21226@optima.cs.arizona.edu>
- Date: 28 Aug 92 15:22:36 GMT
- References: <16337@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> <1992Aug27.132822.4428@bb1t.monsanto.com> <1992Aug28.030530.7738@tc.cornell.edu>
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- bai@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu (Dov Bai-MSI Visitor) writes:
-
- > In article [...] tjfeue@bb1t.monsanto.com writes:
- > >He was ranting like a lunatic. [...] Consider his argument that some people
- > >had been co-authors on his papers and didn't even know what the paper
- > >was about. *I* have been co-author of a few papers that *I* didn't even
- > >know about.
- >
- > But that is the whole point - it is common but wrong! Not every
-
- I agree with Dov. In my opinion, one has to make "significant technical
- contributions" to a paper to get co-authorship. Monetary support and minor
- technical contributions should be mentioned under "Acknowledgements",
- along the lines of "This work was supported by ..." or "This paper has
- benefited from discussions with ..."
-
- When I was a grad student, my advisor appeared as co-author on those papers
- where he helped significantly with the ideas (e.g., suggested better
- algorithms). On papers where his participation was limited to, say,
- discussing proofs, he didn't appear as co-author, but was thanked under
- "Acknowldegements". Both he and I were comfortable with this arrangement,
- and I respect him greatly for his integrity.
-
- I follow a similar policy with my students and colleagues. I have no
- problem with my students having single-authored papers: if they've put
- in the work they deserve the credit, and it's something I can be proud
- of as an advisor. On more than one occasion, I've withdrawn my name from
- authorship of papers where I felt I hadn't made enough of a contribution.
- I do believe that in the long run, the professional respect this earns me
- from my colleagues (presumably, they believe that I *have* contributed
- reasonably to papers where my name does appear as a co-author) is well
- worth having a marginally shorter list of publications.
-
- On the flip side, I know a group where the head of the group gets his
- name on all his students' papers just because he's the head of the group.
- His credibility with me has eroded somewhat because of this.
-
- Do credibility and professional respect matter? Maybe it varies from
- person to person: I know that grant proposal evaluations or letters of
- recommendation that I write are influenced quite a bit by the subject's
- credibility with me.
- --
- Saumya Debray
- Dept. of Computer Science, University of Arizona, Tucson
- debray@cs.arizona.edu
-