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- From: wskelly@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au (William Skelly)
- Subject: Re: Dr. Fabrikant and honesty in science
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- Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 07:22:35 GMT
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- In article <1992Aug31.223411.5525@ast.saic.com> seymour@ast.saic.com (Ken Seymour) writes:
- >In article <1992Aug31.050420.8740@mailhost.ocs.mq.edu.au> wskelly@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au (William Skelly) writes:
- >>
- >>Someone just recently metioned the physics field where
- >>as many as 50 "authors" maybe more will be listed. He
- >>goes on to say this is ok, even if some (most?) have
- >>not even read the paper!!! Ugh.
- >
- >The original poster was in the High-Energy Physics field. In that field
- >a single experiment takes longer than the length of one doctoral
- >candidacy. The early people build parts of the detector machinery.
- >Then some other people write software to acquire all the data onto
- >tapes. Then, still other people run the experiment and analyze the data.
- >The entire experiment can require 50-100 scientists to perform.
- >
- >It is not uncommon for someone to have built a few racks of the detector
- >electronics (they usually fill up a trailer or two) then get his PhD and
- >leave the project. Then a few years later, when they have data to
- >analyze, another scientist writes a paper on the results and lists all
- >the scientists that built the equipment and wrote the software and ran
- >the experiment as authors.
- >
- >The number of authors in a High-Energy Physics paper reflects the
- >reality that nothing can be done in this field by a single individual
- >without help of a team of 50-200 or so people over a period of 10-15
- >years.
- >--
- >Ken Seymour
- >seymour@ast.saic.com
-
- Ken,
-
- Excuse me if I am being dense here, but have you not just described
- the _entire_ system of science as is viewed through the "building
- on past research" philosphy!!!
-
- I am currently investigating spatial analysis techniques that might
- be employed to evaluate general circulation model output used by
- hydrologists, ecologists and environmental scientists. Do I include
- as _authors_ the people who wrote the GCMs, the people who built the
- CRAY that the model runs on, the authors of the geographical
- information system under which I am developing my models? How about
- the folks who derived the algorithms that I am applying to this
- problem?
-
- I too would have 50-500 authors on _every_ paper. NO. These people
- are acknowleded though citation, acknowledgements AND securing there
- permission to use their work where there is any doubt about whether
- citation is sufficient.
-
- But to suggest that someone who somewhere down the line created some
- piece upon which your work builds should automatically become an
- author on _your_ work, _your_ contribution, says heaps about the
- usefulness of using _authorship_ to demostrate YOUR contributions
- to science.
-
- Cheers,
- Chris
-