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- From: dasu@sscux1.ssc.gov (Sridhara Dasu)
- Subject: Re: Dr. Fabrikant and honesty in science
- In-Reply-To: wskelly@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au's message of Mon, 31 Aug 1992 05:04:20 GMT
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- In article <1992Aug31.050420.8740@mailhost.ocs.mq.edu.au> wskelly@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au (William Skelly) writes:
-
- > 1. "author" -- "authorship"
- > one who writes --- he/she who has written. Period.
- > everyone one else should be acknowledged but if they
- > didn't help _write_ the paper, they are not
- > entitled to _authorship_
-
- Just don't call the names listed at the top of the paper "authors".
- Call them "contributors" if you like. That anyone who has made technical
- contributions belongs to the collaboration is the policy followed by
- High Energy Physics groups. Those who worked on the physical act of
- "writing" the paper are just performing their part as "contributors" to
- the paper. In assence they are designated by the collaboration to analyse
- the data on their behalf. It is ridiculous to suggest that only they
- be "authors". If such policy is followed by any HEP collaboration the
- group will dissolve in a day, and there will be no papers to write!
-
- > 2. "honesty" -- authorship of an academic paper, is the same
- > as signing a bank cheque --- its your reputation that goes
- > on the line, you are saying that you stand by your commitment
- > --- wrt. to the cheque it means you will honour your debt,
- > wrt. to authorship it means that this is YOUR work, that
- > you have not plagerised or perpetrated ANY dishonesties in
- > the research represented under YOUR authorship. For me,
- > this is deadly serious. Not only is itPaper dishonest to put
- > your name on a paper that you did not help write, its bloody
- > stupid, it basically says to anyone who knows, that MY
- > reputation really isn't worth a whole hell of a lot.
-
- Yes, honesty is of utmost importance. When a large group of
- people are involved this "intellectual accountability" refers to the specific
- contribution made by one. Together, the collaboration takes the
- responsibility of the truth in the paper. That is why it is important
- to list all the contributors rather than those who "wrote" the paper.
-
-
- ....
-
- > primary method of comunicating your research. Dishonest,
- > "all aboard" authorships are making it more and more difficult
- > to accurately assess what you have done! People doing the
- > hiring realise that there is a problem. Paper counting is NOT
- > always delivering them the best people. Soon ONLY the first
- > author will matter for the pramatic purpose of getting a job!
-
- Dishonest! In your view. It is truly dishonest if a small fraction
- of the collaboration takes over the hard work of others! You have to look
- at the complete picture. It is precisely my point that the people doing
- hiring should not go by "author" lists, but by other means when multiple
- "authors" are present. The primary purpose of the papers is NOT to allow for
- selection of job applicants, but is to propagate knowledge. The primary
- purpose of "authors" is for accountability as discussed earlier.
-
- > Another reason that the "authorship" is important is much less
- > pragmatic for you and I. Its called history. Perhaps there is
- > a historian or two following this group who could shed some light
- > on how difficult it will be to sort out this "mess" in a hundred
- > years time? Perhaps history is unimportant?
-
- History needs to know who all contributed to the work. Not just
- who "wrote" the paper.
-
- > I put it to those who don't have a problem with "honorary
- > authorship" (an ironic term if there ever was one) that the "all
- > abord syndrome" is as detrimental to good science as is the
- > "you site me --- I'll site you" game that also gets played a
- > fair bit. It can be a bloody mess if you have to sort either
- > out.
-
- You should understand the nature of multi-"author" work before
- inflicting your morals on them.
-
- - Sridhara Dasu
-