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- From: sichase@csa2.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: Facts and Values
- Date: 24 Aug 92 02:29:08 GMT
- Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
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- In article <QeZvN_O00VAwQ0q5AU@andrew.cmu.edu>, ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta) writes...
- >
- >Scott, the very fact that physics has not shown any need for soul,
- >afterlife, heaven and so on, and the tremendous success of science
- >have given cause for people to doubt the religions they once took
- >for granted.
-
- The Frugal Gourmet has not shown any need for soul, afterlife, or heaven -
- but people haven't abandoned religion because of him. You logic is
- badly flawed. Physicists are no more capable of addressing these issues
- than Jeff Smith is.
-
- It is true that old religious texts contain factually inaccurate material.
- Only those people who foolishly cling to the literal inerrancy of
- reigious texts have a problem with the obvious fact that theese books,
- though written by spiritually enlightened people, were also written by
- people who could not have known twentieth century physics and biology.
-
- >One indication of how much the religious leadership envies and fears
- >this success is in the movements that purport to show that the Qu'ran
- >contains scientific predictions and that a grand unified field theory
- >can be found in the Hindu Vedas, and so on.
-
- Now we've come back to the statement I started out this tread with -
- only foolish fundamentalists with little or no understanding of either
- science or theology insist upon trying to use religion to address the
- properties of the material world, or physics to answer moral questions.
-
- >The intellectual respectability of religion as a way to look at
- >the universe is eroding rapidly, and this shows up in our value
- >systems.
-
- Just because physics does not address moral issues does not mean than religion
- is the old means of doing so. I personally have well-defined morals by
- which I choose to live - but no God to force them upon me - and no God
- but myself to punish or forgive me if I err.
-
- -Scott
-
- --------------------
- Scott I. Chase "The question seems to be of such a character
- SICHASE@CSA2.LBL.GOV that if I should come to life after my death
- and some mathematician were to tell me that it
- had been definitely settled, I think I would
- immediately drop dead again." - Vandiver
-