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- From: steinman@is.morgan.com (Jan Steinman)
- Subject: Re: Are Your Light Bulbs Radioactive?
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- <STEINMAN.92Aug24173740@hawk.is.morgan.com> <10503@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>
- Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:28:31 GMT
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- In article <10503@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr) writes:
- In article <STEINMAN.92Aug24173740@hawk.is.morgan.com> steinman@is.morgan.com (Jan Steinman) writes:
- >Teach your children how to use a geiger counter!
-
- Good idea. But do not stop there. Suggest that they put a bottle of
- GatorAde (sorry you folks at UF, any of the "replacement" sport drinks)
- next to it. <quite a nice effect, BTW> Compare to CF bulb. Look for
- any warning label on the respective packages. A learning experience!
- Also might compare to a banana and your own body.
-
- I didn't think Mr. Carr knew what he was talking about, but was
- unwilling to reply without some data. (After all, this is a "sci"
- group.) The following is not meant to be an utterly flawless
- experiment, but I was as careful as I could be.
-
- I compared the ambient background radiation with that of a banana.
- They were completely indistinguashable on a geiger counter's normal
- mode, so I did a long timed count. I placed the counter on a steel
- ironing board in the middle of a room. (I had previously "calibrated"
- the ironing board against a large, empty cardboard box. This tells us
- either that steel and cardboard have the same relative radioactivity,
- or that neither is significant compared to background radiation.)
-
- I positioned the alpha window of the geiger counter 1 cm from the
- center of a unpeeled banana and began a timed count at night. I
- repeated the procedure during the day. (From previous experimints, I
- knew there was a significant difference between day and night ambient
- radiation.) I then removed the banana, leaving everything else
- untouched, and repeated both trials. Here's the results, in counts per
- minute:
-
- banana not nuke flight
- day 15.71 15.69 56.11 404.1
- night 15.39 15.36
-
- In other words, extremely little difference. From timed readings I've
- done in the past, I can assure you there is no statistical
- significance beyond three places. For comparison, I included a reading
- I made (with PGE's permission, for which I am greatful) during a
- nuclear plant tour -- their readings coincided closely with mine. Also
- for comparison is a reading I made during a cross-country flight. I
- also passed the counter through an international terminal X-ray
- machine, but it saturated at 19999 counts, making an accurate timed
- reading impossible!
-
- Possible problems:
-
- 1) if the peel of the banana has little potassium, and the meat is an
- alpha or beta emitter, the radiation could be blocked by the peel.
- (I don't have my CRC handy, but I doubt this is the case. I'm
- willing to repeat with a peeled banana to avoid a flame fest.)
-
- 2) GM tubes merely detect ionizing events, and are not calibrated for
- measuring their energies unless the source is known. A highly
- damaging alpha particle and a lightly damaging gamma ray count the
- same. Therefore, GM tubes are not reliable indicators of the
- biological impact of radioactive materials.
-
- I don't have a CFB to test. Someone wanna send me one? I intend to do
- the same test on a bottle of GatorAde, since Mr. Carr asserts there
- will be "quite a nice effect". (To *really* see "quite a nice effect",
- try lantern mantles, which are not labelled as radioactive.) Stay
- tuned...
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