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- From: metares@well.sf.ca.us (Tom Van Flandern)
- Subject: Re: grav lensing
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- Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 21:32:45 GMT
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- mock@space.mit.edu (Patrick C. Mock)
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- > Personally I consider only one multiple imaging candidate as a confirmed
- > lens. Quasar 0957+561, Lehar et al ApJ 384 p453, has a measured time delay
- > of 540 +/- 12 days. This time delay was looked for because it was
- > predicted by the theory. So far no other time delays have been measured.
-
- A common period fits in equally well with the multiple-refracted-image
- alternative model for this and other quasar lens candidates, if the
- periodicity is in the source. And the expected periods of supermassive
- stars, when they are variables, would be in the extended Mira-type range of
- one year and up.
-
- But specifically on the idea that 0957+561 is a gravitational lens,
- Conner et al., ApJ 387, L61-L64 (1992), point out that this quasar shows
- different component brightness ratios at different wavelengths; yet the
- gravitational lens effect must be achromatic. I think there is little reason
- to feel confident that this one example is a true lens.
-
- > I think such a table [predicting how many lens candidates will have large
- > magnitude differences] would be difficult to construct for the currently
- > available data.
-
- But unless someone constructs some such prediction, the gravitational
- lens model will remain unfalsifiable.
-
- > Regarding dark matter, as I've said before, dark matter is not necessarily
- > non-baryonic matter, except for the dark matter used to get omega = 1.
-
- Then you would have both baryonic and non-baryonic dark matter in huge
- quantities. You would be multiplying ad hoc hypotheses to bolster an
- existing model.
-
- > Also we disagree on what constitutes a large M/L value.
-
- I was taking local galaxies as a standard of "normality".
-
- > I don't think M/L is a stable enought measurement to use to prove or
- > disprove any model unless the numbers get really extreme.
-
- Ultimately, I agree with this. M/L is just another indicator against
- the standard model, but by no means a proof. -|Tom|-
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- Tom Van Flandern / Washington, DC / metares@well.sf.ca.us
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