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- From: bobhays@spss.com (Bob Hays)
- Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:01:07 GMT
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- In article <hill.715369256@galena12>, hill@rtsg.mot.com (Karen Hill) writes:
- > anthropo@carina.unm.edu (Dominick V. Zurlo) writes:
- > > 3). Again, stop being ethnocentric. You may consider it immoral for an
- > >individual to sleep around, but many cultures around the world encourage it.
- > >Just because you do not prescribe to it does not make it immoral. Just not
- > >within your beliefs. So, gay or straight, doesn't matter in this instance.
- >
- > So what we have here, is that anything is ok (moral, whatever) as long as
- > someone believes it is and prescribes to that kind of behavior or belief?
- >
- > So that must mean that there are no longer any absolutes. Nothing is absolutely
- > right and nothing is absolutely wrong because someone, somewhere believes it
- > is ok.
- >
- > What would happen to society under this premise?
-
- "A good truth lasts five years." - Henrik Ibsen, "An Enemy of the
- People"
-
- Perhaps we should restate and retrench a little here.... There are
- absolutes - the statement you have made above that the only
- requirement is for someone to agree with a behavior is not correct.
- We can now begin having a "silly" philosophic debate about the reasons
- for society. Perhaps we should adopt some concept that "society
- exists to allow its members to exist and hopefully florish." In this
- case, there are some restrictions perhaps (I'd suggest starting with
- murder being dis-allowed) and can continue from there. Does sleeping
- around contribute to the demise of society? That is perhaps a more
- pertinent question. However, it is likely that sleeping around does
- not but that behaviors like drug abuse (note that I did not say drug
- use here:-) and theft may indeed inhibit and actually decrease the
- member's purposes.
-
- I'd suggest starting with some Locke and perhaps a few Utilitarian
- authors. Then we could discuss how Existentialism plays into the
- "game" and perhaps even talk a little about benevolent despotism.
- However, overall, I think the goal of our little corner of the world
- (the US) is to provide as open a society as possible to provide as
- much growth as possible for as many people as possible while keeping
- interactions of the people within some limits (these limits being
- based mostly on economic and physical rules for competition).
-
- Have fun (and I hope everyone flames on:-) - Bob
-
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