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- From: earl@trsvax.tandy.com
- Date: 26 Aug 92 16:58 CDT
- Newsgroups: rec.models.rc
- Subject: Re: crummy glow plugs?
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- /* ---------- "crummy glow plugs?" ---------- */
- OK, I know I'm not R/C, but I'm having a problem some of you might know
- something about. I've been using basically stock OS-40FPSes (C/L version,
- with venturi, smaller muffler, and 2 head gaskets) in my stunt ships. They
- work surprisingly well, and I've had very good luck with them. Instead of
- buying the expensive OS glow plugs however, I have been using the econo
- Tower R/C longs, with idle bar. They last and last and I end up putting in
- a new plug every six months or so.
- OK, fine. Suddenly I started experiencing a flame out, which turned out to
- be cured by replacing the plug. When it failed, the plug looked perfect,
- but the engine would just die, like it was shut off, a short period after
- the battery was removed. I tried different fuel, fuel filters, with the
- same exact symptoms.
- The problem was that this fix apparently only lasted about a dozen flights
- (our stunt patterns take under 8 minutes). And it took another plug to fix
- it again. I also tried some K & B plugs, which also ran well, but did the
- same thing after FEWER flights.
- Windy Urtnowski crashed his concourse winning stunter at the Nats this
- year due to a similar problem, and he was using a Fox Miracle plug.
- According to him, after the Nats, Big Jim Greenway started testing these
- plugs for the problem and found only 3 good ones in a test sample of 48!
- Windy seems to think it is a bad "batch" of plugs. And I'm assuming that
- Tower's econo plugs may be from the lowest bidder and therefore varying in
- quality. Maybe the PT plating is bad?
- I am going to do some experimenting myself on other engines and plugs. I
- thought this particular engine might be having a problem, perhaps somehow
- contaminating its plug elements or something. I recently had to replace
- its so-called ABC cylinder/piston assembly because it was showing brass.
- Something apparently went through the engine..
- Anyway, I opted for steel/iron for the replacement liner/piston and it
- looks just perfect (I gave it a careful break in, about 1/2 gallon of
- fuel). And, that was many months ago, with the engine running perfectly
- all that time and only recently exhibiting this problem.
- Any ideas?
- Thanks in advance for your comments.
- L.
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- If you have several FOX plugs that exhibit this problem, send them to FOX
- with your story and they'll analyze the plugs and respond.
-
- The key element in the glow plug element is PLATINUM. AS inflation and costs
- rise, everyone tries to cut down to the smallest amount of platinum they can
- get away with and still have a plug that works. From time to time the
- wire manufacturer screws up the formula, and runs off "N" number of feet of
- substandard glow plug element wire. Then whoever gets the wire makes "N"
- number of marginal glow plugs. The lowest cost plugs naturally have the
- lowest cost quality control.
-
- I remember a number of years ago having a problem like this, and it wound
- up being a bad batch of fuel (of all things). In the last year or so, with
- the "sic" nitro shortages, it's possible that some batches of fuels are
- not up to snuff. Water in the fuel will also cause similar problems.
-
- But then many mysteries still exist. Last year I put a new FOX 40 on my
- Ugly Stick, and it promptly ate three FOX plugs, in three tanks of fuel. Then
- it stopped eating plugs and ran for a year off of one FOX Miracle plug! I
- never did come to any conclusions on what happened during the first few
- engine runs.
-
- Also, if some metal particles get loose inside the engine, these small
- bits of metal dust interact with the glow plug element during combustion
- and contaminate it. This causes the glow plug element to go bad very
- quickly too. This would happen, if your using a bushing engine versus a
- ball bearing engine, and your using a electric starter to fire up the
- engine. What happens is that as the engine gets older, the starter pushes
- on the crankshaft causing it to move back and rub the crankpin against the
- backplate. The little bit of aluminum that gets scraped off can cause the
- glow plugs to fail prematurely.
-
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- Earl W. Bollinger
- @ <trsvax!earl>
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