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- From: hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
- Subject: Re: Pre-luber summary & Oil Changes
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- Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 06:57:16 GMT
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- Paul Welch (paulw@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM) wrote:
- :
- : Many folks questioned the basic logic of installing a pre-oiler. Some
- : felt that just regular oil changes and good car care should be plenty
- : to get 60-100k out of a motor. And, some said that the wear I was
- : trying to prevent was rarely the ultimate cause of engine failure.
- : Point well taken.
-
- More like 200,000 miles, IMHO.
-
- : Here's just a little more background on why I brought this up in the
- : first place: I have two vehicles in particular that this might be
- : a good idea for. First, there is my Saab 9000 Turbo. Saab recommends
- : that you let the engine idle for 20 to 30 seconds after parking the
- : car before you shut the engine off, to allow the turbo to cool.
- : I'd be interested to know if this is a theory or if they have
- : ACTUAL DATA that shows some benefit here (I'm skeptical as to
- : how well one could cool a turbo with engine oil that is already plenty
- : hot). But, if you could circulate that oil for more like 5 minutes,
- : especially if your not continuing to add heat with the engine running,
- : now it starts to make sense. The benefit of having this system in
- : place for when you go to start the car is really secondary, in this
- : case.
-
- OK, it's not so much the cooling of the turbo as the lubrication of
- the bearings. At full boost, the SAAB turbo (and others, I assume)
- is going up to 300,000 RPM(!) If you just stomped it before you park,
- and the thing is spinning away and you take away the lubrication, the
- shaft, which rides on a rather thick film of oil, will just sink to
- the bottom (with no oil pressure) and start wearing the shaft and
- the bearings. The idea behind letting the turbo spool down isn't a
- SAAB things specifically, but they are the only ones I've seen who
- mention it in the owner's manuals, perhaps because SAAB owners
- expect their cars to last forever.
-
- I have a friend with about 400,000 miles on a '83 900T, original
- turbo, never pulled the valve cover on the engine either. He changes
- his oil (mobil 1) every 3,000 miles, and spools the turbo down for 30
- seconds when parking. If it works for him, it's good enough for me.
-
- --
-
- Dave Hinz - Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's. Obviously.
- SAAB - Because you get what you pay for.
- hinzd@picard.med.ge.com
-