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- From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
- Newsgroups: rec.audio
- Subject: Re: HSU Research Sub woofers
- Keywords: woofers
- Message-ID: <183337@pyramid.pyramid.com>
- Date: 31 Aug 92 20:58:49 GMT
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- Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
- Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA
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- Originator: daemon@sword.eng.pyramid.com
-
- In article <1992Aug29.204658.4202@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> carlwu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Carleton Wu) writes:
- >I beg to differ. The Hsu's can wallup over 100dB with just 50W of power.
- Be still my heart.
-
- >Remember, two subwoofers have a 6dB advantage over the single unit you speak of
- >so fondly and with such blatant bias.
- Hopefully you've awakened from skipping "Reading and
- Comprehension 101--Remedial" by now.
-
- Where did you get the wacky idea that TWO subwoofers inherently
- have a 6 dB advantage over a SINGLE subwoofer? Somewhere
- doesn't the actual POWER (and efficiency) of the subwoofer and
- amplifier come into play?
-
- BTW, I usually advocate paired subs....but not for the reason
- you gave.
-
- >Furthermore, I'd be interested to know
- >where you auditioned the Hsu's (available ONLY factory-direct) and the others.
- >And under what circumstances. I'm sure your local M&K dealer is more than
- >willing to boost the bass region to demonstrate their products instead of a
- >flat response.
- >
- He's also willing to allow ME to play with the level controls
- and crossover frequency.
-
- Turning your challenge around, have YOU actually listened to the
- M&K and Velodyne subwoofers and the HSU, or are you just
- gatemouthing?
-
- >> If you want killer sound, buy two Velodynes or M&K's and put
- >> them in different room locations to help with standing waves.
- >Or just one set of Hsu's. :-)
- >
- >> I'd avoid the cheapest Velodyne and M&K models, they only have
- >> about 50-60 watts and only are flat down to 30 Hz or so....but
- >> either make has higher end models that are flat to 20, and some
- >> down to 15-18 at room-shattering levels.
-
- >I really don't get it.
-
- That's putting it pretty accurately and mildly.
-
- >First you imply that low-end Velodyne/M&K's are
- >preferable to the Hsu's in sound and comparable in cost when you tally in the
- >extra amp for the Hsu's, and now you're saying that they are ONLY flat to
- >30Hz!
-
- I implied no such thing....you really ought to stay awake a bit
- longer before hitting the "F" key....
-
- WHERE in the posting did you see that I would prefer the lower
- end powered subs....actually I was recommending against
- them...or even comparing them to a good subwoofer.
-
- The Hsu SW10 subwoofers reach down to 20Hz! Even the inexpensive dbx
- >subs could probably reach 30Hz.
-
- Actually the low-end M&K's and Velodyne's I mentioned are flat to
- just below 30Hz...but in my non-humble opinion, 30Hz is
- definitely NOT subwoofer territory. Nor would such a model (as
- you seem not to have noticed) compare favorably in performance to
- a good passive sub such as the HSU (or even the CV "earthquake"
- sub...) .
-
- >
- >I have had my Hsu SW10 subwoofers for about a 3 weeks now and am very satisfied
- >especially considering the cost. Don't know how much the Velodynes or M&K's
- >cost, but with the extra amp, the total came to $920, including S/H.
-
- Thanks for making my point....if you grab your local Velodyne or
- M&K dealer by the wallet, you can get a GOOD one of their models
- for about that amount of money. That are flat, with low
- distortion, down below 20 Hz. And louder than the HSU's will
- tolerate.
-
- [We won't mention the facts about whether you NEED a lot of deep
- bass and whether it need track midrange power accurately....you
- can read Fletcher Munson curves, hopefully...]
-
- As I said, I really have nothing against the HSU's....just that
- there are alternatives in the same price range. I mentioned two,
- there are several others.
-
- They are good subwoofers, but they don't have the power handling
- to fill a room with rib-rumbling bass...and in case you missed
- it,...neither do the low-end powered subs.
-
- The only
- >thing I don't like about them are the "spikes" they came with them which are
- >really only screws you twist into the bottom (SR conveniently left this cheap
- >point out of their picture of the subs)--not exactly very sturdy.
- >I would write a product review on 'em but I haven't had much time to listen to
- >music lately, with school starting and all.
- >
- >In the future, if any of you are going to make product comparisons, please be
- >fair about it. Preconceived bias can only serve to skew the outcome.
- >
- Good advice, take it yourself. AFTER you've had the
- opportunity to listen to the alternatives....
- I presume the fact that you own the HSU's makes you totally
- unbiased? Riiiiiiigggggggggghhhhhhhhhhht.
-