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- From: johna@intacc.uucp (John Allen)
- Subject: Re: Any Screenwriters out there?
- Message-ID: <1992Aug31.154842.8430@intacc.uucp>
- Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:48:42 GMT
- References: <1992Aug29.102427.27254@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
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- In article <1992Aug29.102427.27254@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bf455@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bonita Kale) writes:
- >
- >References: <1992Aug26.180443.25983@intacc.uucp> <1992Aug22.001433.10551@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <jjonsson.112@alexandria.lib.utah.edu>
- >
- >
- >In a previous article, johna@intacc.uucp (John Allen) says:
- >
- >>Time and time again I have
- >>seen three act structure screenplays filled with plot points and inciting
- >>incidents but no moment to reality.
- >
- >Could you explain this further? I don't understand what it means.
- >
- >Bonita Kale
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-
- Sure. There's a guy floating around who teaches screenwriting by the name of
- McGee. He charges a fortune never written a screenplay and basically what he
- teaches is what you see from Hollywood every day. Most scripts are written off
- a treatment that is pitched so the story and characters have to be broken down
- into a fairly short easy to understand form. Mcgee and others have spawned a
- cottage industry out of selling: How to write a Screenplay. The reason I know
- this is because I was seeing the same stuff over and again from students. i
- finally asked what was going on and after a lot of discussion it turned out
- either someone had the read this book or gone to that workshop.
-
- Anyway here it is in a nutshell. Three acts. First act sets up charcters and
- story. Something big has to happen in the first five pages to the majour
- character that proels him into action. TRhis is called the inciting incident.
- Almost every bad movie has one. I just saw Single White Female for example and
- presto there it is Girl gets dumped by boyfriend and is forced to go out and
- look for a roomate.
-
- In this first act we also meet minor characters: Best friend, husband,old cop
- who is going to get shot etc,
-
- Second Act what's called in the trade the conflcit act. Inciting incident Plot
- point one moves to plot point two. IE Roomate turns out to not be everything
- she says she is....
-
- Sorry I'm to bored to do this. the problem with this thing is that because the
- story and characters are created before any dialogue is actually written its
- all arbitrary. None of it happens for an internal reason. Moment to moment
- reality comes from a writer asking questions of his characters. How does the
- guy feel? What does it mean to Frank to be a policemen? What's it like to have
- thios happen or this said? If questions like this are asked if the moment is
- true then the story and character take twists and turns that do not follow a
- formula. What most "hacks" have failed to learn is that action is
- character.People are what they do in drama not what you the writer say they
- are.
-
- If you write the outline of the story before you've written anything you're
- going to be hanging one arbitrary scene on the line after another. Its the
- internal mechanics of each moment,scene, acvt which dictate what comes
- after...
-
- Yes its a good idea to know where you're going but a) sometimes that's not
- possible and B) the thrill is the trip there....
-
- Plot points is writing from the fill in the dots school.There is a reason that
- its called the film industry. The idea is to knock off as much product as you
- can. have a lot of things in development and hope that one catches.
-
- However the great scripts ChinaTown. The Godfather. Mean Streets etc do not
- follow this formula school. What is the inciting incident at the beginning of
- the Godfather? Michaels return? the wedding? the undertakers request? the
- setup for the meeting with the turK? Answer all of the above and none of them.
- You see you can look at Shakespeare's plays like a lot of this people have and
- say: AAha this is what he's doing and break it down but it still won't help.
-
- The craft of writing is like all crafts based on work. A lot of it.There are
- no shortcuts. Once you have a draft of something and have a rough idea of what
- it is that you want to write about then one can worry about whether all the
- subway stops( inportant story moments: a lot of writers have all the most
- important moments happen off stage or screen and wonder why everybody says
- their script is a yawner) are clearly delineated but those m,ajour story
- moments will only happen if they have naturally grown from the characters
- relationship. Basically in a film that's what you got people relating to
- something;one another their environment. ....
-
- Ooops going on a bit long here... Sorry. John
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