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- From: learn@speedy.acns.nwu.edu (William J. Vajk)
- Subject: Exercising Caution When Making Attributions (was Re: ... Boycott)
- Message-ID: <1992Sep3.141452.6937@news.acns.nwu.edu>
- Sender: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
- Organization: Dares No Organization Like Dis Organization
- References: <1992Sep1.130800.14354@news.acns.nwu.edu> <1992Sep1.180222.20077@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> <1992Sep2.171951.22044@gateway.novell.com>
- Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:14:52 GMT
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- In article <1992Sep2.171951.22044@gateway.novell.com> Terry Lambert writes:
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- > I think we are all aware of the failings of usenet as a political
- >organizational tool, or as an organizational tool in general. People will
- >read only the topic categories in which they are interested in, and it is
- >this categorization (and the [mostly academic] pressure to keep it) that
- >prevents it from being used this way.
-
- In the last several years, I have noticed that the failing of Usenet has
- moved to a much more elementary plane. There are very simple reading and
- comprehension problems in this population, including, I am sorry to say, in
- Terry Lambert's understandings of the thread in which (s)he is participating.
-
- > This is the issue of which I believe Mr. Vajk has now been made
- >painfully aware, with regards to using it as an announcement mechanism.
- >He is not incorrect, however, in his assumptions about the much greater
- >bredth of distribution (and potential consideration) his ideas would
- >recevive, if posted in such a fashion, and that was his stated intent.
-
- Dear Terry,
-
- I have known the limitations of the use of the network for quite a few
- years, having been a participant in these quarters for quite some time.
-
- Just which of "his ideas" are you referring to when you make the statement
- in the paragraph included above? I have discussed the poorness of the logic
- recommending against a broad based posting of someone's ideas and opinions.
- Have you now, carelessly, atributed the entire boycott recommendation to
- be my idea? I certainly hope not as I never suggested that, nor do I
- support a concerted (some might call it a conspiratorial) effort. But it
- sure looks as though you have attributed the boycott concept to me.
-
- > He did not proceed to *act* on this idea, and many people are
- >treating him as if he did. The newsgroups included (even in this posting)
- >are quite germane to the topic of the AT&T suit.
-
- But it seems you have done even worse, you have left the impression that
- I am pro-boycott, indeed there is lots of reason to understand, from your
- article, that I initiated this entire thread.
-
- >This is, I believe, the concern that Mr. Vajk is stating.
-
- Thank you for your kindness, but I did not state any concerns. I questioned
- the logic of an article (and mildly flamed the author.)
-
- > All this is no reason to jump down Mr. Vajk's throat over his idea;
- >it's reason to dismiss the idea as unfeasable, and allow him to go on to
- >something else (besides answering hate mail).
-
- Once more, Terry, just what "idea" are you attributing here?
-
- > I support his idea of a boycott, but am not participating in it
- >for the same reason I believe others are not, and the same reason I believe
- >others did not participate in the effort to keep CSRG alive: lack of motive
- >organization. You can not simply state "act this way because..." and expect
- >a groundswell of support because your idea is "right and just".
-
- There, now "ya done gone and dunnit!"
-
- You have actually attributed to me something which is not my idea, I
- never proposed this boycott. I do not support the idea either, in the
- sense in which it has been presented to the net by others.
-
- > I certainly am not jumping on Mr. Arromdee for his post; it's just
- >that I got pissed off at what was going on, and happened to pick his article,
- >out of the many, many articles thrashing Mr. Vajk to post my followup.
-
- Apparently you'd have done much better had you read the original articles in
- the thread. At least you'd have understood what was being said without
- misattributing ideas. You could never have replied as you have had you read
- my article.
-
- If you don't have time to do it right the first time, when will you have the
- time? Once you're caught with errors as you have posted in this thread???
-
- I expect a public retraction, Terry.
-
- Bill Vajk
-
-