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- From: ajn@physics.wm.edu (Alastair Neil)
- Subject: Summary SPARCstation 10 benchmarks
- Message-ID: <1992Sep2.204414.17186@cs.wm.edu>
- Keywords: SPARCstation 10,benchmarks,floating point
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- Organization: Rio de Caca Illuminati
- Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:44:14 GMT
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-
- A couple of weeks ago I requested information on benchmarks. I didn't
- recieve a huge amount of information, in fact I got more requests
- for the information than actual replies, so it appears a summary is
- called for. Our purchasing desision is leaning back towards a Sparc 10,
- simply because we need a solid, compatible environment, with no suprises.
- The comments below have left me with the feeling that the HP and IBM
- machines, whilst doubtless excellent machines, have too many rough edges
- for some of our novice users. So barring some unassailable fiscal reasoning
- on the part of HP or IBM, it looks like a Sparc 10. Anyone with strong
- feelings, who wishes to convince me one way or the other, is welcome to
- drop me email.
-
- Thanks to:
-
- Dana Jacobsen
- Peter Baer Galvin
- Ron Nash
- Steve Blair
-
- Here are the messages:
-
- >From jacobsd@xanth.CS.ORST.EDU Thu Aug 27 00:05:18 1992
-
- -header deleted-
-
- > We won't be getting our hands on any Sparc 10's until mid-September (if then!),
- >but you said "Any information", so I'll give you the publicly available stuff.
- >
- >Machine Spec92Int Spec92FP LINPACK MFLOPS
- >
- >
- >Sun Sparc 2 21.8 22.8 4.2
- >Sun Sparc 10/30 44.2 52.9 10.6
- >Sun Sparc 10/41 52.6 64.7 17.2
- >
- >HP 9000/710 31.6 47.6 12.2
- >HP 9000/720 36.4 58.2 17.9
- >HP 9000/730 47.8 75.4 23.7
- >
- >IBM RS/6000 220 15.9 22.9 6.5
- >IBM RS/6000 320H 20.9 39.4 11.7
- >IBM RS/6000 340 27.2 51.9 14.8
- >IBM RS/6000 350 34.6 65.0 18.6
- >IBM RS/6000 520H 20.9 39.6 11.5
- >IBM RS/6000 530H 28.2 57.7 20.2
- >IBM RS/6000 550 35.4 71.7 25.6
- >IBM RS/6000 560 42.1 85.5 30.5
- >
- >SGI Crimson 61.7 63.4
- >
- >Intel 486/50 30.1 14.0 2.2 (est)
- >Sun Sparc IPC 13.8 11.1 1.8
- >HP 9000/705 21.9 33.0 8.0
- >HP 9000/750 48.1 75.0 23.7
- >IBM RS/6000 970 47.1 93.6
- >
- >
- > From experience with a Sparc 2, an HP 730, and an IBM 340, these are
- >my impressions:
- >
- > Gaussian Elimination: The IBM machines, hands down. Those things are
- >FAST on this (comes from having a mult+add instruction).
- > General floating point: The HP 730 wins on this, with speed being about
- >2-3 times the Sparc 2 for most of our code. Some code ran only 1.5 times
- >faster, some up to 3 times.
- > Integer Speed: HP 730 wins this also. The IBM RS6000's just aren't that
- >fast on integer. The 340 just barely edges out the Sparc 2 here.
- > Overall speed: The HP 730 feels the fastest. The graphics are very fast,
- >the CPU is about twice the Sparc 2, and compiles are lightning fast. The
- >IBM feels sluggish, and it's graphics are very poor. In my opinion, the
- >RS6000 is not a good general purpose machine -- it is good for floating
- >point only, and I don't think it's a good buy against the HP 730.
- > Porting: Unless your code is already written for an HP or an IBM, the
- >Sparc is by far the easiest to port and compile on. We haven't heard
- >back from our IBM reps about the "Internal Compiler Errors" we got (after
- >they spent so much time BSing about how 'easy' and 'standard' the IBMs
- >were). HP/UX 8.0 is definetely an improvement over 7.0 -- they have all
- >the POSIX libraries (though their include files do some non-POSIX things
- >which are annoying to work around). We had quite a few programs that
- >gave incorrect output on the HPs (and some fortran code which core-dumped
- >their preprocessor), but nothing like the god-awful hell of the IBMs.
- >
- > Note that these comparisons are between two $30k machines (the HP 9000/730
- >and the IBM RS6000/340) and a $15k machine (the Sun Sparc 2). From Sun's
- >estimates of performance (and the Spec92 numbers), one should expect between
- >two and three times the Sparc 2 performance from the 10/41, which will be
- >the same price or less than the IBM and HP boxes. Since our code ran about
- >2-3 times faster on the HP and IBM boxes, I believe we will get Sparc 10's
- >as it solves the porting problems, leaves us with more flexibility on the
- >upgrade path, and means we don't have to buy all-new licenses for our
- >commercial software.
- > I'll see if I can mail you an update when we get our Sparc 10's in.
- >Meanwhile, summarize your results! I'm eager for more info. Thanks,
- >--
- >Dana Jacobsen Disclaimer: This is not an official announcement
- >jacobsd@cs.orst.edu of any kind, it may contain blatent falsehoods and
- >jacobsd@solar.cor2.epa.gov strong opinions that are solely the authors. This
- >(God I hate politics) article may be reposted only with this disclaimer.
-
-
-
- >From pbg@cs.brown.edu Thu Aug 27 10:00:33 1992
-
- -header deleted-
-
- >According to sun:
- >
- > SS10 Model 30 SS10 Model 41 HP9000/730 IBM 6000/350
- >specint92 44.2 52.6 48.1 34.6
- >specfp92 52.9 64.7 75.0 65.0
- >
- > --Peter
- >
- >------------------------------------------ --------------------------------
- >Peter Baer Galvin (401) 863-7623
- >Systems Manager, Brown Univ. Comp. Sci. pbg@cs.brown.edu
- >Box 1910 (115 Waterman Street) uunet!brunix!pbg
- >Providence, RI 02912 (02906) pbg@browncs.bitnet
-
-
- >From nash@ucselx.sdsu.edu Thu Aug 27 10:17:20 1992
-
- -header deleted-
-
- >In article <1992Aug27.015145.18244@cs.wm.edu> you write:
- >>I'm sure this was discussed ad nauseam a few months ago, but now I find myself
- >>in need of the information. Specifically, I need benchmarks for the SPARCstation
- >>10 models 30 and 41. Floating point benchmarks are most important to us, and
- >>relative performance comparisons to the HP snakes and IBM Powerstations would
- >>be useful too. Any information greatly appreciated.
- >>
- >>---
- >>+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
- >>|..Alastair Neil................................| |
- >>|..(804)-221-3533..[ajn@physics.wm.edu].........| None Shall Sleep |
- >>+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
- >
- >>From the May 1992 SunFlash Vol 41 #34
- >
- > Model 30 Model 41 Model 52 Model 54
- > -------- -------- -------- --------
- > Uni Uni 2-way MP 4-way MP
- >SPECint92 44.2 52.6 58.1 per CPU
- >SPECfp92 52.9 64.7 71.4 per CPU
- >SPECthruput89 N/A N/A 109 (est.) 218 (est.)
- >MIPS 86.1 96.2 200+ 400+
- >Mflops (DP) 10.6 17.2 38 76
- >TPS (est.) 100 120 180 220
- >
- >Hope this helps.
- >
- >
- >--
- > ,--, | Ron Nash San Diego State University
- > _ ___/ /\| | nash@sdsu.edu
- > ,;`( )__, ) ~ |
- > // // '--; | Gin-N-Tonic Learning to be an endurance horse
- > ' \ | | Luv on Fire trusty trail horse
-
-
- >From sblair@upurbmw.dell.com Wed Sep 2 14:17:26 1992
-
- -header deleted-
-
-
- >Here's a chart of several current systems. I used it recently for
- >a study of new machines:
- >
- >MACHINE SPECfp-92(*) SPECint-92(*) SPEC89 MFLOPS MIPS
- >-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
- >
- >Solb DX4000 20.2 19.3 21.3 3.9 23.2
- >(cost = $ 20K)
- >Sun SS2 22.8 21.8 24.7 4.2 28.5
- >(cost = $ 20K)
- >Sun ss10-30 52.9 44.2 57.3 10.6 86.1
- >(cost = $ 25K)
- >Sun ss10-41 untested untested 71.2 17.2 96.2
- >(cost = $ 28K)
- >SGI 4DIndigo 61.0 57.0 70.0 17.9 85.0
- >(cost = $20K)
- >H/P 720 47.7 31.6 59.5 17.9 57.9
- >(cost = $ 45K)
- >RS6000-320H 39.4 20.9 41.2 11.7 37.1
- >(cost = $ 35K)
- >
- >NOTES:
- >------
- >
- >1)The Sun SS1-41 is not currently finished with the SPEC International
- >evaluation testing. All numbers on the ss10-41 are *PROJECTED* values
- >(from Sun) and are unknown as final numbers until the results are posted.
- >The machine will not start shipping until late-October/early-November 1992.
- >
- >2) The Sun ss10-30 is just entering shipping volumes, with a projected
- >ARO of 30 -> 45 days we are informed.
- >
- >3) The Sun ss10-41 is yet to enter shipping, with a current projected
- >ARO of 60 - > 90 days we are informed.
- >
- >
- >
- >--
- >Steve Blair DELL UNIX DIVISION sblair@dell.com
- >====================================================================
- >"Multiple Processors Do Not A Symetric Multiprocessing Machine Make"
-
-
- ---
- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
- |..Alastair Neil................................| |
- |..(804)-221-3533..[ajn@physics.wm.edu].........| None Shall Sleep |
- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
-