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- From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
- Subject: Re: Stability of Next as a company
- Message-ID: <1992Aug23.224000.13273@utstat.uucp>
- Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
- References: <1992Aug22.203141.956@wolves.uucp> <1992Aug23.195508.566@prim>
- Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 22:40:00 GMT
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- In article <1992Aug23.195508.566@prim> prim!dave@germany.eu.net (Dave Griffiths) writes:
-
- [Quotes uncertainty surrounding NeXT's ability to survive...]
- >
- >Unless something drastic happens, NeXT don't have a chance of surviving.
- >(This is not a widely shared view in this news group, but then the people
- >here seem to be sustained by something approaching religous faith. When the
- >crunch does come, expect widespread shock and disbelief). The reasons I
- >believe they are in trouble are:
-
- As someone who has been very critical of NeXT, and am not a NeXT zealot, I
- must tell you that assigning zero probabilty to NeXT's survival is
- something I can't agree with. I wonder what you would assign as your
- subjective probability of Apple surviving totally independent of IBM? I am
- virtually certain that IBM and HP will survive. I can't say the same about
- many other computer companies.
- >
- >1) Their sales are declining, rather than increasing. Over here in Munich,
- > everybody in the NeXT centre was depressed at the poor worldlwide sales.
- > (NeXT soon cured their depression by sacking most of them :). Rumour (and
- > that's all we have to go on) has it that there was a brief flurry of
- > excitement and good sales after the Station was launched last year (this
- > ties in with the only announcement by NeXT of quarterly sales back in
- > April 91). Since then it's gone quiet. An awful lot of boxes are piled
- > up in dealer's warehouses.
-
- Sales here seem to be pretty good. They'd be even better if NeXT got out of
- the workstation race, and get back to marketing a personal academic workstation,with an entry level system that is affordable for students.
- >
- >2) The major software companies have stopped porting and upgrading their
- > software on the NeXT. If NeXT were growing vigorously, the big companies
- > simply wouldn't ignore them in this way. To get some perspective, step
- > outside the NeXT world for a while: NeXT might as well not exist.
- > Every man and his dog is gearing up for Windows NT. Lots of people want
- > to run the same software on the NeXT as they can run on Windows or Mac,
- > and no matter how good the homegrown software is, it would be reassuring
- > to have the large companies supporting the platform.
-
- Windows NT is hardly assured of great success. OS/2 version 2.0 is here now.
- It is expensive, nice and people are becoming very interested in it. I see
- no evidence that "Every man and his dog is gearing up for Windows NT.". It's
- still vaporware, expensive vaporware, etc...
-
- Which major software companies have stopped supporting NeXT? There weren't
- many to begin with. WordPerfect was an exception and they will apparently
- continue supporting the platform. I have no idea what Lotus has in mind for
- Improv.
-
- The future of the NeXT lies in small companies, and it is very important that
- NeXT give them all the information necessary to continue moving innovative
- software to the platform. There are many talented people who have fallen in
- love with the NeXT. They aren't about to give up on it that easily.
- >
- >3) Lack of money means NeXT are cutting costs in places which will hurt them
- > more than the money they save. Examples: charging developers for support,
- > lack of advertizing, dropping support for OD/Dimension, inability to
- > cut hardware prices.
-
- The developers issue is very unfortunate, and I do hope that NeXT takes a
- longer term view of matters and deals with that in a reasonable way. Has
- NeXT dropped the ND? They dealt with the OD in a very silly way, but then
- made up for it (in part) with an excellent CD-ROM/3.0 upgrade. They would
- be completely out of the doghouse if they supported the newer 3.5" MO's
- and reasssured Cube owners that they will not be left behind.
-
- What do you mean by inability to cut hardware prices?
- >
- >4) Steve Jobs is displaying signs of flailing around trying desperately to
- > find a niche for NeXT. The result is that NeXT lack focus. We've had:
- > education, multimedia, group productivity and now that marketing
- > mouthful, mission critical custom apps.
-
- Well, I don't like the mission critical stuff either, but I can't detect
- any signs of desperate flailing...
- >
- >5) None of the above would matter if NeXT had something up their sleeve,
- > something sufficiently momentous to make people sit up and take notice, to
- > turn the market around. But they don't. Release 3.0, no matter how nice it
- > is, is an incremental step forward (contentious view point. Something like
- > the rumoured OO database replacing the file system would have been
- > revolutionary). The new hardware is late late late (we were all expecting
- > it to be announced at NeXT Expo remember?) and when it comes will
- > probably be too expensive. The one big ace that NeXT could have played is
- > NeXTStep 486, but they seem really half baked about it. The latest
- > release date is Q1 93 !!! Why? By that time Windows NT will be out. And
- > the pricing that they've announced for it proves that they're not really
- > serious about it. $1500 for an end-user licence! This in a cut-throat
- > market where you can buy the hardware for that.
-
- How do you know that NeXT has nothing up its sleeve? I'd rather they get
- the Nextstep PC version right than release something which will last a
- month. Q1 93 is ok, and by then the real price will be known. Windows NT
- will also, by then, hopefully readjust what is currently a very hign price
- of $500. Isn't the preliminary price of NeXTSTep PC $1000?
- >
- >With their current policies, NeXT are in trouble and cannot survive in their
- >current form. Which is not to say that NeXTStep itself won't survive...
-
- I just don't agree at all with this. You haven't provided any convincing
- evidence let alone a convincing case.
-
- Followup to .advocacy please if need be.
-
- Philip McDunnough
- philip@utstat.toronto.edu
-