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- From: ajross@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrew Ross)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
- Subject: Re: MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!)
- Message-ID: <ajross.715279978@husc10>
- Date: 31 Aug 92 16:52:58 GMT
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- ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
-
- >In <ajross.715040512@husc10> ajross@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrew Ross) writes:
-
- >> THE PC IS NOT LIMITED TO 640K.
-
- >>This is a .DOS. limitation.
-
- >Sorry, but Ventura Publisher does not run under DOS. It runs under
- >*Windows* and still has trouble because of the 640K barrier. This
- >is not only a DOS limitation. Even if it was, that would be small
- >consolation because *most PC programs still run under DOS, not Windows
- >or OS/2.*
-
- Granted, I've never used Ventura Publisher for Windows (although I have
- used the older GEM version, which DOES need memory management hacks like
- LIM 4.0). I have a little trouble believing this statement though. Under
- windows, unless you specifically code otherwise, all applications see a
- flat 32 bit addressing space, i.e. they THINK they have the whole 4GB
- available if they want it. What problems were you having with the "640k
- barrier". It's worth pointing out, though, that Windows itself breaks the
- 640k barrier in the first place, so it doesn't make much sense to talk
- about it in relation to windows programs.
-
- >>Most office assistants and students use PC's that much. This does not
- >>make them experts. Using a machine for what it is intended to do teaches
- >>you nothing about its internals.
-
- >That's the whole problem. You *can't* use a PC without knowing
- >a hell of a lot about the internals, just to keep it going. Of
- >course I'm not a PC expert by your definition, which is "someone
- >who uses, knows, and worships the Poltically Correct computer."
-
- Tell that to the millions of office assistants and others out there who
- use PC's every day to do productive work. I can see logic in claiming
- that the Mac is more efficient/easier, but claiming that no one can even
- use a PC without internals knowlege? Come on.
-
- >This is equally if not more true on the
- >>Mac. Please back up you attacks with evidence.
-
- >>I have to get one flame in here:
-
- >>IMHO, someone who suports his office's decision to pay $7000 for a
- >>386-20 and $600 for a Video Accelerator and thinks all PC's are limited to
- >>640k doesn't know sh*t about PC's. Please grow up.
-
- >And I'll flame you right back. If you had read any of my
- >previous posts, you would know that I *opposed* the decision
- >to buy PCs. I have stated time and time again that the decision
- >was not made by me but by a PC support expert -- in other words,
- >Mr. Ross, someone like you. I realize your reading skills are
- >so poor you probably won't grok this statement either but, oh well,
- >hope springs eternal.
-
- Touche. You did, however, argue that the cost was justified in order to
- get "good quality", something I and many others disputed. Our point was
- that the $7000 you spent was essentially wasted on buying a 386-20.
- Anyone familiar with the PC world should have known this, IMHO. I am
- writing this on a 486-33 I paid $2300 for a year ago and have had ZERO
- problems with.
-
- You do get the prize for most acidic toungue lashing, however. Perhaps my
- reading skills really aren't quite up to snuff; what does "grok" mean?
-
- Andy Ross
- ajross@husc.harvard.edu
- A dumb PC jock who really
- LIKES Mac's, just can't
- afford one.
-