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- From: ajross@husc9.harvard.edu (Andrew Ross)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
- Subject: Re: RE-MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!)
- Message-ID: <ajross.714945490@husc9>
- Date: 27 Aug 92 19:58:10 GMT
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- fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix) writes:
-
- >In article <ajross.714890195@husc10> ajross@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrew Ross) writes:
- >>
- >>Please tone down the language, you are impressing no one. For myself (a
- >>dumb PC jock), I don't consider an unsupported, undocumented copy of an OS
- >>legitimate; legal perhaps, but not legitimate.
-
- >OK, just in case you didn't know, every Mac comes with (paper manuals)
- >documentation for the MacOS included in the box along with the diskettes.
- >(That ought to be legitimate by your definition.) Upgrades, as described
- >by others, range from free to minimal cost (charge for dealer's time), to
- >the cost of a full with-new-manuals package.
-
- >Why pay for all the paper when the differences between, say, 6.0.2 and
- >6.0.5 are such that most users would never notice the difference unless
- >it's something like fewer crashes or things go faster. (Any significant
- >added functions would be documented in the upgrade in a README type of
- >file. Seems legitimate to me.
-
- >Why do you think this sort of upgrade is "unsupported", btw?
-
- I was actually refering to the System 7 upgrade. The finder went through
- some major changes (to say the least); and yet apple seems to feel that
- handing it free to someone with only online docs is an acceptable means of
- distributing an OS. This is another matter of taste, but I WANT printed
- documentation for my software. You can't take online stuff to read in
- bed, you can't flip through it thinking "I know it was on a page that
- looked like..." (no text-based search algorithm is ever going to beat a
- brain's patter-matching skills). You can't grab it off the shelf to look
- up something without interupting what you're doing; etc... Printing it
- out is probably going to cost you more than the printed doc's in the first
- place. If online documentation is enough for you, that's perfectly O.K.,
- I'm afraid I'm not entirely satisfied with Apple's policy here.
-
- >>If having only two programs simplifies training and support costs while
- >>minimizing productivity losses (yes, it can be done), then YES, it is an
- >>advantage. I've seen more toy software bought (but never used) than I'd
- >>like to remember; for BOTH PC's and Mac's. In my experience, the ONLY
- >>people who like trying out new software are the ones who generally know
- >>what they are doing (and would have no trouble learning PC software).
-
- >On the other hand, if you need the functionality of some third (or 15th)
- >software package, it's a real advantage to know before you get it that
- >a large part of its function is already part of your knowledge base, and
- >that what's new is going to appear in a form that you're already somewhat
- >familiar with.
-
- This is over-rated. In my experience, Mac software is no more consistent
- than most windows software; and truly eggregious packages exist on both
- ends (someday someone has to explain Apple File Exchange to me...). In
- any case, learning the interface for a DOS program is never more than a
- few hours (even for truly byzantine programs, like Wordperfect).
-
- >>Obviously. But (and oooh, am I gonna catch flames for this one) unless
- >>your needs include NEEDING more than one screen and/or having a
- >>requirement for nifty movies in the OS, I'd be willing to bet that a PC
- >>will fulfill them.
-
- >Not for me. I don't (yet) need either feature (but the need may eventually
- >arrive), but what I do, writing books, hasn't in the past been anywhere
- >near as well done on PC systems than on the Mac.
-
- You may find things are changing. Go to a software dealer and take a look
- at Ami Pro 3.0 (from lotus). I've seen it, and am convinced it's THE best
- word processor yet conceived of. Try it yourself. I don't actually use
- it yet but, wallet willing, will soon.
-
- >>Multiple screen support and Quicktime are the only
- >>REAL advantages a Mac has (I can feel the heat already). There are catch
- >>phrases and buzzwords aplenty, (ease of use! Fast SCSI drives! Consistant
- >>interface! Fully integrated hardware!) but none of them boil down into a
- >>"You can do this on a mac but not on a pc" sentence.
-
- >Maybe, but they might not be worth doing on a PC.
-
- Um... What exactly does this mean? It is PRECISELY this sort of
- unsupported rhetoric that I was referring to above. ANYTHING you do on
- ANY computer is worth doing if it works. Are you going to tell all the
- Scientists out there who are still formatting there papers in TeX that
- it's not worth doing because Pagemaker is here? Please, If you have a
- point to make, make it. This means nothing.
-
- >>I know nothing of accounting software. I will add, though, that I have
- >>never heard of Macintax. I have heard of other packages, such as Quicken
- >>and Microsoft Money. As an uninformed user, I would therefore have to
- >>conclude that Macintax is not a leading product.
-
- >Well, other than the fact that Macintax is not an accounting package...
- >you can update you internal database: Macintax is a leading product of
- >its type. And now it's finally available on PC's.
-
- >Note also that Quicken was originally implemented on the Apple// (I was
- >one of the original beta testers...roughly back before wheels became
- >round.)
-
- Fair enough. Again, this is out of my league. (By the way, what exactly
- IS Macintax).
-
- >>>>And even on the GUI is better end...Amiga has a much better interface than
- >>>>Mac,
-
- >The Amiga has a lot of neat features...but its GUI is really quite
- >ugly.
-
- That wasn't my post, and I've never used an Amiga for anything productive;
- but It's never looked all that ugly to me. For that matter, I rather like
- the windows interface (although I will admit to using Norton Desktop
- instead of the program/file managers).
-
- >--
- >-----------------------------------------------------------------------
- >Of making many books there is no end... | What's wrong with chasing
- > -- Eccl. 12:12 | nebulae till 3 am? |-(
- >-----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Andy Ross
- ajross@husc.harvard.edu
- Just another dumb PC jock...
-