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- From: peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d
- Subject: Re: Why do people want PD software?
- Message-ID: <3449@global.hacktic.nl>
- Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 16:16:54 GMT
- References: <bws.14@ccs.carleton.ca> <9LywPB1w165w@cybrspc.UUCP> <367@global.hacktic.nl> <1992Aug28.145404.17987@crd.ge.com>
- Organization: Global Village 1
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- davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen) writes:
-
- >In article <367@global.hacktic.nl>, peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser) writes:
-
- >| That is of course nit-picking. Would you suggest GCC if someone asks for a PD
- >| C compiler? Of course not! It's not a PD C compiler but a freeware. Sheesh!
-
- > What's your point here? Your statement is correct, but I think you're
- >trying to make it say something else other than what the word mean. GCC
- >is not PD, if someone needs PD they can't use it.
-
- Why would anyone need PD and not freeware?
-
- > Since half the people in the USA are lawyers, it's important.
- So that's what is wrong with the US... ;-)
-
- >I have
- >released UNIX source to things I was selling for DOS, and restricted
- >distribution of the DOS binaries. I forbid distribution of modified
- >source code on most of the things I post to the net, because people send
- >out hacked versions and I get questions about it.
-
- That's not what I know as freeware. The GNU stuff is freeware and it doesn't
- forbid anything but taking away people's freedom. Real PD software has absolute
- freedom, so there is only a little difference between the two. What I do with
- free (i.e. GNU-ish) software is not affected by the copyleft so me (and for
- most hobbyists) normally there is no real difference.
-
- > There si a real distinction here, and your effort to gloss over it
- >does not make it go away.
- We are talking about two different things here. I am not glossing things over.
-
- >If something is PD you can do what you like
- >with it, including copyrighting it, claiming you wrote it, etc.
- Only complete morons do that. I was talking about (supposedly :) normal people.
-
- >That's why FSF and many contributing authors retain copyright.
- Of course.
-
- >| Then why can't IBM sue every clone maker? The PC and AT architectures and BIOS
- >| are intellectual property of IBM because they were invented and published by
- >| IBM.
-
- > The answer is they can, they have, and they still will. That's why
- >people buy commercial BIOS chips, because they are certified developed
- >clean and free of IBM code. In the early days many clone vendors were
- >sued for the BIOS code.
- Apple did the same in the old Apple ][ days. And often those BIOSes/Apple ROMS
- were direct copies of the original except for the copyright.
-
- Greetings,
- Peter Busser
-