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- From: anderson@randolf.lbl.gov
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- Subject: Re: HP-UX 9.0
- Message-ID: <25855@dog.ee.lbl.gov>
- Date: 29 Aug 92 01:25:07 GMT
- References: <1992Aug25.200543.28463@riacs.edu> <1992Aug26.135815.1@cc.uvcc.edu>
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- In article <1992Aug26.135815.1@cc.uvcc.edu>, olsen_jo@cc.uvcc.edu writes:
- |> In article <1992Aug25.200543.28463@riacs.edu>,
- okuyama@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Darin Okuyama YR) writes:
- |> > This may be a dumb question but: is HP-UX 9.0 going
- |> > to be OSF? Can someone give me some details on what
- |> > kinds of MAJOR things are going to change when HP
- |> > moves to 9.0.
- |> >
- |> > Darin Okuyama
- |> > NASA Ames Research Center
- |> >
- |> Nope. OSF revision numbering is in the 1.X range I believe. The 9.0 will
- |> be genuine HP-UX.
- |>
- |> John Olsen (Used to work for HP in Fort Collins)
- |> olsen_jo@uvadm.uvcc.edu
-
- I've not yet seen what is included in 9.0 yet, but I'm afraid it will not
- be OSF/1-ish enough.
-
- I'd like to go on the record as saying that some customers want OSF/1
- features ASAP. Such as 1003.4/pthreads (kernel or user level would be fine),
- logical volume management, DCE/DFS, ...
-
- It seems interesting that Digital touted OSF/1, then tried backing out
- of that (for the MIPS architecture). The response was an enormous "we want
- OSF/1 on our MIPS boxes". Loud enough that DEC reversed its plans (there
- was a fair bit of decision reversal going on at DEC then anyway).
-
- HP has done similarly. OSF/1 support is sadly behind schedule, and, seemingly,
- diminished in importance to the extent that OSF/1 will (eventually) be
- supported at the AES (or API or whatever) level on the existing HPUX kernel.
- I've heard several rumours as to why, but I'm curious about the user base's
- response. I've not heard any particular response to the OSF/1 change of plans
- on this newsgroup, for instance.
-
- What happened to the excitement about OSF/1 with it's SMP/threaded
- kernel/micro-kernel? SVR4 and Solaris2.0 appear to have successfully
- sold themselves as the OS of the future, with all kinds of great features
- (same as OSF/1). From a marketing standpoint, SUN is doing a fine job
- of selling itself. HP, DEC, and IBM have lost it because they are no
- longer the unified opposition under OSF/1. Rather, they are three companies
- trying to play catch up with SUN's marketing might. (Okay, DEC has really
- done OSF/1, and can profit from the micro-kernel stuff being done at OSF
- and DEC and what not. But can DEC do what DEC/IBM/HP set out to do together?)
- Note that product superiority is really not the issue here, it's marketing.
- And image.
-
- It pains me to think that I'll have pthreads on Solaris2.0 and my SUNs before
- my HP700, for instance. And SVR4 will win. And leave IBM with its AIX
- kernel and OSF/1 AES support, and HP with eventual OSF/1 AES support
- with its HP-UX kernel. And there's still the IBM/Apple challenger. And
- more immediately, NT. What are HP's long term plans?
-
-
- Any comments??
-
-
- Mark Anderson
- Argonne National Laboratory
- mdanderson@anl.gov
-