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- From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
- Subject: Re: The Perennial Piracy Debate (was Re: Bilestoad)
- Message-ID: <a9cnbba.payner@netcom.com>
- Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 00:30:42 GMT
- Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
- References: <19474@fritz.filenet.com> <m#4m!3l.payner@netcom.com> <19776@fritz.filenet.com>
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- In article <19776@fritz.filenet.com> ung@fritz.filenet.com (Bill Ung) writes:
- >In article <m#4m!3l.payner@netcom.com> payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
- >|In article <19474@fritz.filenet.com> ung@fritz.filenet.com (Bill Ung) writes:
- >||In article <!frms1j.payner@netcom.com> payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
- >|||In article <15cv1aINN1md@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (tuu) writes:
- >||||
- >||||In article <avnmy+_.payner@netcom.com> payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
- >||||}It's simple, but absolutely wrong as stated. I use some freeware that
- >||||}I have not paid for, and I have committed no crime. I have much software
- >||||}that I have written for my own use, who the hell are you to tell me
- >||||}that it is a crime to use it?
- >||||
- >|||| You know, you are really off the deep end.. You're being
- >||||semantically picky, when you should know very well what Jawaid was talking
- >||||about.
- >||||
- >|||| Of COURSE freeware and software that you've written are legal to
- >||||use. Don't be a bonehead.
- >|||
- >|||I may be a bonehead, but I can read. You omitted the text where Jawaid
- > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^(see below)
- >|||clearly said that if you did not -pay- for the software you are committing
- >|||a crime. I said that it's absolutely wrong as stated, and it is.
- >||
- >||No, it is not. FREEWARE is paid for. The price tag is $0.00, paid in
- >||full upon receipt. Software you have written you've paid for in terms
- >||of time and effort. You can set the price tag at $0.00 or $1000.00, in
- >||either case, I doubt you'll have a problem paying yourself whatever
- >||price tag you choose ... and if you do, well, that probably belongs in
- >||some psychotherapy newsgroup. So therefore, in both cases, the software
- >||IS paid for. Just for the record, I'll have to agree that being a
- >||bonehead is stupid. Argue intelligently and don't waste bandwidth on
- >||things like picky semantics.
- >|
- >|You can post the above twaddle and complain that I am being picky about
- >|semantics in the same sentence? You pay nothing for freeware, if you
- >|pay, it ain't free. And your hypocrisy is showing.
- >
- >All I'm saying is if something is free, then I consider it automatically
- >paid for. You did pay the full 0 dollars and 00 cents upon receipt, did
- >you not? Straight and simple logic: If $paid (0.00) == $owed (0.00)
- >then paid_for = TRUE. Heck, you even paid for the sales tax (also $0.00).
- >Also note that nobody would be quite this picky about semantics if you
- >weren't in the first place. Since you started in on it, we all have the
- >right to a rebuttal.
-
- You cannot "pay" $0.00, you are mixing mutually exclusive concepts.
- And you are both being pendantic, and complaining about it, ergo, you
- are a hypocrite. Do one or the other, but not both. If it's a problem, then
- you are just as wrong in doing it. If -you- are right in being pendantic,
- then you have no basis for claiming that I am wrong.
-
- >|||I'd
- >|||rather be a bonehead that have a reading problem and be quoting impaired.
- >||
- >||Perhaps he was saving bandwidth? I'll agree, he probably should have
- >||quoted it though.
- >||
- >|||And BTW, I find your bonehead assertion rather a personal attack.
- >||
- >||But not undeserved?
- >|
- >|Completely, absolutely, 100% undeserved. Next...
- >
- >Difference of opinion. Next...
- >
- >|||Add in also that many have such strong personal feelings that at the
- >|||first hint of piracy, they froth at the eyes and cannot read straight.
- >|||And that others must just jump in to make unwarrented personal attacks.
- >||
- >||You yourself agreed that you are a bonehead. That doesn't make it
- >||unwarranted (note spelling), in fact, just the opposite.
- >|
- >|You may be picky, but you are again wrong. I never admitted that I was
- >|a bonehead, go back and reread.
- >
- >A quote from you (also see above): "I may be a bonehead, but I can read"
- >
- >Sounds like an admission to me.
-
- No, an admission would have used the word "am" instead of "may be". You
- may be pendantic, but you ain't too sharp.
-
- Since you do not understand it, let me spell it out for. Read it slowly!
- I h a v e o n l y a d m i t t e d t o t h e p o s s i b i l i t y
- t h a t I - m a y - b e a b o n e h e a d.
-
- You, on the other hand are giving a good demonstration of how a bonehead
- would actually post. I see no reason to belabor the obvious here.
-
- >|And is not there a rule that the first
- >|person to complain about spelling errors automatically loses the debate?
- >
- >Hah! You've gotta be kidding. If you can't win your debates by your
- >arguements, why bother having them? That's about the stupidest rules
- >I've ever heard of. "Oh, but I won because he complained about my
- >spelling!!!" ... yeah, right.
-
- At least it dosen't take me 3-4 weeks (whatever) to respond.
-
- >|||Rich
- >||Bill Ung
- >|Rich again
- >Bill Ung
- > ung@filenet.com
-
- Rich again
-
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