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- From: wdc@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Bill Cattey)
- Newsgroups: comp.soft-sys.andrew
- Subject: Re: "slow networks"
- Message-ID: <8ebFLI8Gf047QPRGx1@athena.mit.edu>
- Date: 27 Aug 92 17:50:12 GMT
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- Thank you, Mr. Ralston for setting the stage for the following criticsm.
-
- I don't have access to EZmail or Niftymail.
- I do have a 9600 V32.bis slip connection to a workstation at home.
- I don't use messages over it. It takes too damned long to draw anything.
-
- On a local workstation, messages is the best user interface for reading
- mail I have used. It was intelligently designed to do time consuming
- things while you work instead of while you wait. (Any xmh developers
- listening? xmh goes out of its way to make you wait when you're doing
- what you have to do. Do it the way messages does!)
-
- I used cui for a while. It is inappropriate to criticise its user
- interface. It doesn't have one. As soon as an enlightented developer
- suggested I think of cui as a tester for the message server, all it's UI
- quirks made perfect sense. I immediately stopped using it and am a
- happier man for it.
-
- Now I use vui. It is what is available to me. It seems that the UI was
- purposely designed to frustrate anyone who has used any other mail
- reading interface. It insists on being menu driven, and on a 2400 baud
- line you will sit through a lot of tedious redraws. The commands seem
- designed to make it most difficult to do the most common operations.
-
- I suggest that if you have EZmail that you use it and not waste your
- time with vui. They tell me EZmail is much nicer to use than vui. I'll
- try it out as soon as I can.
-
- Having leveled harsh criticism, let me put some things in perspective:
- I am the leading advocate of Andrew use at MIT.
- I think that there are a few simple things that could be done to
- radically improve the way mail reading works.
- I think the ATK people have done a fine job but they need to redo
- certain parts of mail reading if they want people to really appreciate
- the value of ATK.
-
- Simple things:
-
- Get EZmail onto the Andrew disk in place of vui.
- Advertise cui as a testing program not a user program.
- RIP OUT the message server, throw it away, and replace 1 meg of
- impossible code with 100K of simple code that uses pop and/or nntp and
- a unix filesystem.
- Build simple easy tools to enable the messages folder format
- to interoperate with mh format and emacs RMAIL format.
-
- So far I've seen 4 scripts come across this mailing list, none of which
- really solves the problem of INTEROPERABILITY. Interoperability means
- that I can use mh, emacs RMAIL and messages any time I want and be able
- to, by issuing a single command, incorporate archives in any one of the
- three formats into any of the others. There is some support for this,
- but it doesn't really work and it's not the sort of thing I would give a
- non-wizard.
-
- Please forgive the harshness, but it felt real good to say it "loud and
- dirty so you don't forget it", for a change.
-
- Thanks for listening.
-
- -wdc
-