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- From: urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs)
- Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.dcom.isdn
- Subject: Re: TCP/IP over ISDN
- Date: 4 Sep 1992 11:03:00 +0200
- Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
- Lines: 50
- Message-ID: <1878o4INN4t9@smurf.smurf.sub.org>
- References: <1992Aug27.182348.19584@gandalf.ca> <1992Aug28.114002.25416@stc.nato.int> <1992Aug31.183707.18401@gandalf.ca>
-
- In comp.protocols.tcp-ip, article <1992Aug31.183707.18401@gandalf.ca>,
- djarrett@gandalf.ca (Dave Jarrett) writes:
- > In article <1992Aug28.114002.25416@stc.nato.int> koelman@stc.nato.int writes:
- > >>
- > >> - When the idle timer expires, the ISDN server issue a B-channel
- > >> connect request to the client ISDN station. The user-user data field
- > >> in the connect request contains a "poll" command.
- > >>
- ... which would require both sides of the ISDN connection to keep state about
- the TCP connections crossing the ISDN link and to send bogus TCP packets to
- check if the system on the other side is still there. IMHO, this is not a
- reasonable requirement.
-
- > >> This approach has two advantages over polling using SYNs:
- > >> 2. This approach is LAN protocol independant.
- > >>
- Since TCP/IP is LAN protocol independent by definition, anything you do would
- have to be.
- > >
- > >This would imply that you get bandwidth for free through the
- > >user-to-user data (unless that is charged separately).
- > >I don't think PTTs are that stupid.
- User-user data has some valid applications, such as the transmission of
- login information, or to check if your voice mail system has any new messages
- without actually calling in. ;-)
-
- > >If they are then let's send all our IP traffic this way...
- > >(the MTU may be limited though :-))
-
- Q.931 does limit the number and length of such data packets.
- The ISDN switch might also raise some alert if you're continuously trying
- to open connections, which are all mysteriously rejected; the main reason
- is that such processing causes an excessive load on the switch.
- >
- > It is true that user-user data is an optional facility in Q.931.
-
- Unfortunately, the original request came from Germany.
- We don't have Q.931 (yet). We also don't have user-user data; maximum
- user information transmittable during call setup is 10 bits in forward
- direction (device address (1 decimal digit) and 2nd byte of service type)
- and 6 bits back (the cause value). So polling is possible, though I'd rather
- use it to ask if there's anything in the UUCP queue for the calling system.
-
- --
- "Life would be much simpler and things would get done much faster if it
- weren't for other people"
- -- Blore
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