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- From: rcd@raven.eklektix.com (Dick Dunn)
- Subject: Re: Mach 3.0 on 386/486
- Message-ID: <1992Sep1.065128@eklektix.com>
- Summary: still waiting for honest complaint against mt Xinu
- Organization: eklektix - Boulder, Colorado
- References: <1992Aug24.200820.24081@engage.pko.dec.com> <1992Aug27.083757@eklektix.com> <Bts7q1.1I5@percy.rain.com>
- Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 06:51:28 GMT
- Lines: 76
-
- nerd@percival.rain.com (Michael Galassi) writes:
- [about my reply to ignore the fellow insisting "Do NOT...buy Mach from Mt.
- Xinu!!..."]
-
- [various bugs--freopen, FP, shadow passwords not supported, nslookup]
-
- These may or may not be good points, depending on some combination of
- (a) Did mt Xinu introduce the bug? (mostly no, as far as I can tell).
- (b) How long has the bug been open?
- (c) is it really a bug, or just a lacking feature (such as shadow pass-
- words?...which, for example, aren't in the latest version of SunOS
- that I have to administer either.)
- (d) What have you done about it and what has been the response?
- In other words, if you get a big enough chunk of software, it *will* have
- bugs. The issues have not to do with whether there are bugs, but how they
- are treated. Are the important ones fixed first? What sort of response do
- you get?
-
- >...When bugs are fixed, there is no way to get
- >the fixes unless you have their overpriced autosupport (Sun, SCO, and
- >HP all make fixes available over the internet.
-
- Hmmm...you have to pay for mt Xinu to do work for you...imagine that!
- These folks are so terrible, they won't work for free!
-
- Hmph.
- Pay now or pay later.
- You can pay a lot and get free support, or you can pay a little and pay for
- the rest of what you get, as you get it. TANSTAAFL.
-
- >>Actually, I ran Mach/386 for a fair while (not running it currently, only
- >>because I have 2 more operating systems than machines!) and found it to be
- >>a quality system...
- ...
- >I find it telling that you are not running it now,...
-
- OK, what does it tell you? Bloody hell, I tried to load it on my VCR, but
- the diskettes just dropped down inside! Now I've got to pay someone to
- defloppyize my VCR.
-
- You think you "find it telling"; in fact you find nothing because you don't
- know the situation. Shut up about it. If I could run Mach/386, I would.
-
- >...if I could afford
- >BSDI's product I would not be running this stuff either.
-
- If you can afford Mach/386, you can afford BSD/386. They're both in the
- same price range. Please explain.
-
- In fact, I am lucky enough to be able to afford both. They are both
- quality products. They serve different (but overlapping) purposes.
- eklektix has three OS licenses and one machine. The OS running on that
- machine (raven) is the third choice of "what to run".
-
- >>Second, because you might want support, and CMU isn't in the support biz.
- >>That's why they arranged with mt Xinu to do the commercial version.
- >
- >support? mt Xinu? I laugh in your general direction.
-
- Well, go ahead and laugh. You know what they say about people who laugh
- for no apparent reason.
-
- OK, get serious. Put up or shut up. You're slamming good people, and
- you're the second person to do it without the slightest shred of evidence.
- If you've got some valid complaint against mt Xinu, let's hear it and
- examine it. I (and I think, most others here) are willing to hear a
- real complaint and examine it honestly. I have no emotional investment in
- mt Xinu, BSDI, or any other vendor. (Most recently I worked for a competi-
- tor of both of them.) But I'm not going to say mt Xinu (or BSDI or
- whoever) is bad just because you stand around honking your nose at them.
-
- I've seen far more good, and a far better product, from mt Xinu (and BSDI)
- than from any of the mainstream commercial OS vendors.
- --
- Dick Dunn rcd@raven.eklektix.com -or- raven!rcd Boulder, Colorado
- Cats!
-