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- From: jds@cs.umd.edu (James da Silva)
- Newsgroups: comp.os.mach
- Subject: BNR2SS, Mach, and The Lawsuit (was Re: GNU kids on the block?)
- Summary: let's stick together
- Message-ID: <59908@mimsy.umd.edu>
- Date: 26 Aug 92 18:50:52 GMT
- References: <ROLAND.92Aug24194541@churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu> <1992Aug25.123854.26792@uwm.edu>
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- Organization: University of Maryland, Department of Computer Science
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- I've read a couple things here recently that I find disturbing.
-
- First, Johannes Helander <jvh@cs.hut.fi> writes in his announcement of the
- port of Mach3 to the pc532:
- > ...
- > A version of the net2 based bnr2ss server has been done but it is
- > not yet in a useful state. (Unfortunately also the freeness of this
- > along with the rest of net2, most of which has been built and ported
- > to the pc532, has been cast in doubt by the Dark Forces).
- > ...
- > Other useful sources and binaries, such as bnr2ss, libc, user
- > programs, etc. will be added as soon as they work well enough and
- > their uncontaminatedness has been verified.
-
- (how are you going to "verify" the "uncontaminatedness" of bnr2ss?)
-
- Then roland@prep.ai.mit.edu (Roland McGrath) writes:
- > The GNU Project would like to find a volunteer to work on a
- > single-server for the Mach 3.0 microkernel based on Linux.
- > ...
- > Since AT&T's lawsuit, we can no longer rely on using BNR2SS, the
- > single-server based on the Berkeley Networking 2 release.
-
- This sort of thing is very sad to see. This is _exactly_ what AT&T/USL
- wants to see happen. They are succeeding in scaring people away from Net2
- *without having to prove anything in court*.
-
- Ladies and Gentlemen, we should be supporting our colleagues at Berkeley
- rather than running away from them!
-
- I understand the desire to not put all one's eggs in a basket that might be
- unfairly yanked away, but BNR2SS already exists; it should be used until
- such time as USL prevails (if ever).
-
- I _don't_ understand those that are taking the narrow view that only Net2
- is at risk in this suit, like Roland and Johannes seem to be. Note that
- CMU didn't use a clean room to develop Mach either. If you step back far
- enough and squint through the eyes of a lawyer (or of the CEO of a
- monopolistic company that has invested in that _other_ microkernel
- technology), BSD and Mach3 have a lot in common: they were both developed
- by starting with Unix and replacing subsystems piecemeal until there wasn't
- anything of the original left. If USL were to win on its broader claims,
- Mach and many other things are very much at risk.
-
- I say this not to scare people away from Mach too, for USL's broad claims
- are just ridiculous, but rather to point out that we are all going to sink
- or swim together. I don't know, but I imagine, that the CMU people
- understand this.
-
- Jaime, tainted by 4.3net2 and Mach3, and proud of it.
- ............................................................................
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