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- From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle)
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- Subject: Re: Future Issues of Object Orientation
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- Date: 2 Sep 92 18:38:35 GMT
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- sm86+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stefan Monnier) writes:
- >Self (which is since recently available at self.stanford.edu in version 2.0)
- >claims to approach the C speed although it is FULLY dynamic
- >(even dynamic inheritance) by special 'run-time' compilation (which
- >writes different versions for special cases) !
- Similar claims were made for MACLISP years ago.
-
- >In fact, I believe that speed increase will mainly become possible with
- >special hardware: since current processors are specifically designed
- >to run C like programs, it seems normal that different language
- >paradigms can't really rivalise ! (see functional programming on a
- >data-flow machine)
- Unclear. That was the premise behind Symbolics and their LISP
- machines. It turned out, though, that simple RISC machines with a decent
- compiler run Common LISP with substantially better price/performance than
- Symbolics' refrigerator-sized machines. (Is Symbolics still in business,
- by the way?) Lisp Machines Incorporated went bankrupt years ago.
- But Lucid is still selling LISP compilers for Sun machines. Vanilla hardware
- seems to win out.
-
- John Nagle
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