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- From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
- Subject: Re: Giles' Manual Mania (Was - Re: About the 'F' in RTFM)
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- Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
- References: <1992Aug26.214319.14738@mksol.dseg.ti.com> <1992Aug27.020832.23988@newshost.lanl.gov> <1992Aug27.192610.12441@wixer.cactus.org>
- Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:00:26 GMT
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- In article <1992Aug27.192610.12441@wixer.cactus.org> rhodesia@wixer.cactus.org (Felix S. Gallo) writes:
- > jlg@cochiti.lanl.gov (Jim Giles) writes:
- > >If UNIX were *really* more powerful, faster, or more flexible than the
- > >*real* alternatives in *modern* system design, then you'd have a point.
- > >It isn't. You don't.
-
- > Okay, give some concrete examples of a better 'sed', a better 'yacc',
- > and a better 'awk'.
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- Perl, tcl, rexx, ...
-
- Oh, those are all available on UNIX.
-
- Never mind...
-
- > >[...]. The "pipe together simple tools" approach
- > >has *some* merit. Too bad UNIX didn't stick to it. More precisely, too
- > >bad UNIX didn't periodically winnow out all but the best tools and utilities
- > >and rewrite them to be compatible and orthogonal. Might be an interesting
- > >system.
-
- "UNIX" doesn't do things. People do.
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- In particular, Bell Labs does.
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- The problem is, AT&T has to keep providing backwards compatibility. So very
- little of 10th Edition or Plan 9 gets into System V release <n>.
-
- > But they are. sed, awk, perl, tr, pr, nroff, troff, ls, tbl, pic, eqn,
- > rm, and all the other programs in my /[usr/]bin perform completely correctly
- > and predictably when placed in pipes.
-
- They do? You got rid of the undocumented line length limitations?
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