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- From: tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen)
- Newsgroups: comp.misc
- Subject: Re: Giles' Manual Mania (Was - Re: About the 'F' in RTFM)
- Message-ID: <1992Aug28.172029.22760@news.eng.convex.com>
- Date: 28 Aug 92 17:20:29 GMT
- Article-I.D.: news.1992Aug28.172029.22760
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- From the keyboard of jlg@cochiti.lanl.gov (Jim Giles):
- :Awk is a poor imitation of snobol. The very fact that you mentioned both
- :sed and awk is interesting also. They do the same thing (or, to be more
- :precise, there's a *considerable* overlap in functionality). Yet they
- :do so differently - incompatibility! If UNIX were true to it's creed
- :(simple orthogonal tools each doing one thing *well* and piping them
- :together), there would be one tool - or at least the two would have
- :identical syntaxes for the overlapping parts of their operations.
-
- There is one -- perl.
-
- :|> Err, these 'GUI's you keep referring to are faster than /bin/rc?
- :
- :The /bin/rc I have access to is part of the system boot sequence and is
- :not a part of the naive user environment at all. What relevance to does
- :it have to a discussion about user-level tools? I'm talking about tools
- :which are useful in writing and maintaining software for applications
- :*other* than system design or system maintenance.
-
- You're confused. /bin/rc has nothing to with /etc/rc, which is
- what you've confused it with. Go read the Plan 9 papers and get
- back to us. :-)
-
- Mr. Giles apparently also labors under the misconception that a GUI
- is inherently a good thing. They're not. In fact, poor GUIs are
- a significant step backwards in both ease-of-use and modular software
- technologies in general.
-
- :The terms `arcane' and `user friendly' are mutually exclusive.
- :UNIX is arcane.
-
- User-friendly too often means expert-hostile -- remember that stupidity
- is its own reward.
-
- --tom
-
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- Tom Christiansen tchrist@convex.com convex!tchrist
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- "Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch'entrate!"
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